Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:04 am Post subject: 64 a1 color ?
Been looking around and found a lot of different colors. A lot of threads, but none are for 64-71 a1 line, Narrowed it down to 34087, 24087, and 14087. From what I've seen on my 64, 14087 looks like factory color. I've also found 3 different od's, but that is usually the one on the bottom, and it laughs at heat.
The three you have narrowed down to are the same color. The federal color chart system Federal Standard 595B divides by color and finish.
14087 is 1 = Gloss, 4 = Green, 087 = The approx. order of incr. reflectance.
24087 is 2 = semi-gloss, 4 = Green, 087 = The approx. order of incr. reflectance.
34087 is 3 = flat or lusterless, 4 = Green, 087 = The approx. order of incr. reflectance.
Willys & Kaiser used an older paint code from the 4 digit system which was very close to 24087 called OD 2430 until about 1960-62 for the M38A1 as delivered to the US Army. After that they used 24087. Both are semi-gloss.
In the field the Army started using 24087 around 1954/55 for it's field repaints.
To date the preponderance of evidence indicates around 1952 Willys started applying specific colors as directed on their contracts for the Air Force (Strata Blue 25045), Navy (Gray 36173), and the Marines (Forest Green 24052 1950 thru 70's).
Ok, so for a 60-71 -A1 u.s. mc contract, 24087, and 24052. Last one is correct also because all u.s. built were MC contracts. Thx wesk for all that nice, and easily done information. I realized they were all the same color (OD), just didn't realize how much the type of gloss changes the coloring. Was also wondering because the 60-71 batch were kaiser, not willys, so i had wondered if they had tweaked the paint.
Kaiser bought out Willys in 1957. The manufacturing and personnel remained the same people in the same place. The Patent plates started using Kaiser on them in 1960. A 1960 on M38A1 built under contract specifically for the USMC will not have any 24087 on it except where a component like a BO driving light assembly was pulled off the production line parts spares and used outside the USMC contract. Earlier A1's built under contract -630 may have 24087 under the 24052. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Ok now for a blasphemous question. Yes, i know these are not rapco/gilspe paint, and those are the best. Would Krylon K04293000 Camouflage, or Rust-Oleum 1919830 Camouflage Spray, Deep Forest Green be a better match ? Just want to spray some parts and see how i like the color personally. They are cheaper, faster, and easier to get a hold of. Yes i know, you get what you pay for. Personally i have tried the krylon, but that was just to spray the engine, and it seemed a dead on match. Plz don't hate me for asking about these two lesser, off the shelves paint. When i do a full paint, it will be with a gun. I am looking for the 24052.
Depends on what you are planning for the jeep. A daily beater won't make any difference. If you have any concerns with accuracy or future display and judging then get the right color. Here's a place to start:
https://www.armyjeepparts.net/t-GCI_paint.aspx
or
http://www.rapcoparts.com/manuals.html _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Right now, its going to be a motor pool quality. The only diff is i'm not doing the external decals. Going to make this a semi- daily driver. Like to get it to a point where all have to do is put on the decals, and it will be complete restore. May change the (od) color to one i like( Hey i am the one driving it), and external color is easily changed. That's why for now i was going to test the color out with one of the cheap cans, find what i personally like, i'm not interested in any judging, just fun, and use it for what it was made fore.
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 8:16 am Post subject:
Buy a couple of rattle cans from RAPCO or AJP and try
them against your Krylon.
Relatively cheap test and you'll get to make up your mind.
Also, if you are going to paint with a gun in the end where are
you going to get Krylon in gallons?
Btw, the military didn't use decals for external markings
until late. Proper application would be paint stencils.
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:45 pm Post subject: A Little more Info
I consulted with a friend who gave me this information. The author has done
extensive research on this subject and I trust what he has provided.
The US Army used lustreless OD319 through 1950. The Army then changed new vehicle paint requirements to a semi-gloss OD 2340 in 1950 through 1956 (a browner hue of OD). Shade then changed in 1956 to the 24087 series, actually three different shades used have the same number, 24087. The 1956-1959 shade is the greenest of them all. The 1959 through 1968 shade is browner, close to the OD2430. The last shade used started in 1968, and 24087 got a lot darker. Yes again the same number, different shade. That shade lasted until about 1974 when the MERDC camo system was put in place. It was replaced with the CARC system of products in about 1985.
I have been told by someone that has done extensive research that Willy’s did not prime all M38A1 vehicles other than the actual frames. They decided to paint with two coats of paint instead (IMO, bad move). The first coat was tinted so the painter could see where to paint. The first coat is the forerunner of the 1956 OD24087.
One small correction John. Willys did not decide to not use a red primer anymore for Military. The Army's contract directed Willys to use OD2430 for both coats with the first coat thinned to dull it. Also Willys did not use 24087 until production of the M715. The Feds issued the wrong color card to their New FS595 deck with 24087 in 56 (the card they issued was the same color as OD2430) They issued a change notice which went unheeded until the corrected color reappeared in the FS595A printing. The oddball 24087 was the temporary switch to the color used by Army aircraft & helo's 1966-68 (a very greenish look). Then the common 24087 came into being in FS595B _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Unlike the WWII jeeps we have no copies of any of the military postwar jeep procurement contracts. The stuff we have managed to sort out to date is based on factory drawings and BOM's provided by Keith Buckley. He may have some drawings from the 60's specifying the paint process used for the Marine contracts. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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