Welting rivet installation m38a1/ m170

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Hi ,
Any recommendations for a welting rivet installation tool ?
Would like a tight rivet installation without scratching grill paint and or rivet head .
Just thought I’d ask some of the folks that have replaced there grill welting for there experience/ opinion .
Thanks , Brian
M170
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:19 pm Post subject:

Rivets have never been friendly to paint jobs. In the case of Split rivets or bifurcated rivets as they are sometimes called you have very little choice. They by design are to be installed mechanically by pressure, bending and tapping. The best way to prevent or limit marring is to cover contact tooling with hard rubber. You can buy fiber reinforced rubber sheet in many thicknesses. Find a steel bar that can be handled easily with your hand inside the grill area. Glue a layer of hard reinforced rubber sheet say about 1/16 to 1/8" thick to the sides of the bar you intend to allow to contact the rivet and nearby metal. Then use it to support the head of your rivet while you are addressing the spreading and flattening of the split tails.

Split tail or Bifurcated rivets

Padded block/bar

Split rivet die tool

Here's the web site that supplied the photos: https://ohiotravelbag.com/blog/how-to-set-split-tubular-rivets/
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

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bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Thanks
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Are the m38a1 split rivets black or brass in color ?
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

Eades · Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:46 am Post subject:

You can purchase a tool from Ron Fitzpatrick for approximately $30 (I did) or even fab up one your self with minimal effort and the sacrifice of one of your tools.

With the purchased tool and a small awl it went slick for my grill welting installation and minimal paint damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffoBjFlpmPc
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Rick Eades
1951 M38 & 1967 M715

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Thanks rick
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:44 pm Post subject:

If you check your ORD 9 on page 362, 8th item from the top of the page:
ORD # 113454, rivet, split, oval-he, S, ???-enmld, 9/64 x 7/16, 5/16 he dia
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

mdainsd · Member Joined: Oct 20, 2017 Posts: 446

There is a plier type tool made for setting those. It rolls the two tangs beautifully. Im trying to find a part number for them. Somewhere is my catalog of all manner of vintage upholstery things. in it those pliers are available, I'll keep looking.
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'52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Thanks , let me know if you find the tool . I don’t mind purchasing and sharing with others
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Thanks Wes , black enamel ..
kinda forget if bottom of rivet are rolled or flat .. digging around for my old ones to see , but haven’t found them yet .
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

OKCM38CDN · Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:44 pm Post subject:

Try this web site - https://dcmclassics.com/tools-and-accessories/567-tl-1011-split-rivet-cripping-tool.html

If you want to make your own - http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/tools/ts216.htm

Hope this helps...
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Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK

mdainsd · Member Joined: Oct 20, 2017 Posts: 446

That is one of them! Thanks for posting, saved me some digging!
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'52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car

RonD2 · Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:49 pm Post subject:

Here's one:

https://walcks4wd.com/rivit-crimp-tool.html
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Ron D.
1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51

“The only good sports car that America ever made was the Jeep."
--- Enzo Ferrari

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Thanks Ron , now two to choose from . This one and the DCM one . I emailed DCM to see if there’s is made in USA, This one is nice that they are making it themselves .
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

Eades · Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:59 pm Post subject:

The Walcks tool appears to be the same as the one I purchased from RFJP. It did work well.
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Rick Eades
1951 M38 & 1967 M715


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