Joined: Sep 22, 2021 Posts: 59 Location: Czech Republic, Europe
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:12 am Post subject: Instrument cluster
Is this instrument board accurate for type M38?
I don't think Ammeter and Oil pressure gage match.
Are they probably from Ford Mutt?
And the speedometer also doesn't have as many dashes as it should.
_________________ <div>Václav S.
</div><div>1951 M38
1967
</div><div>DKW-Munga F91/4</div>
Joined: Oct 02, 2014 Posts: 2050 Location: South Carolina, Dorchester County
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:45 pm Post subject:
Hi Václav,
Here's one photo from Wes' photo album. You can look at his extensive album collection anytime you want.
And it seems to me if you also were to compare the part numbers on the face of your gauges with your copy of the ORD9 manual, you could have a pretty good idea of what's correct or not.
I believe there were more than a few substitutions enacted by the Army supply system over the service life of the M38, which can make for some confusion.
Good luck!
_________________ Ron D.
1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
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It could also be the early cluster for a M44/M45 2.5ton gasser. The voltmeter replaced the ammeter in later vehicles. It's the correct voltmeter for pre-1970's application IIRC.
Joined: Feb 17, 2012 Posts: 530 Location: Del City, OK
Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:18 pm Post subject:
It is the proper cluster for an M-38. The ammeter has been changed to a voltmeter which needs to happen if running a solid state regulator and the oil pressure gauge has been changed to a 60 PSI unit to probably match the sender. This is what I run in my M-38CDN. _________________ Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK
Hello Bighead,
As mentioned above the panel is a correct M38 panel that has switched to a volt meter when the voltage regulator was updated to the newer transistorized type, the Speedo is later than M38 production but not an uncommon occurrence since the ORD # represented several different brands and face styles, and finally it was a common practice to upgrade from the 0-120 PSI oil pressure indicator and sender to the much easier to read 0-60 PSI set and often the Army supply system would abandon stocking of early parts in favor of later parts when they were closely related or interchangeable.
Also as mentioned above you can correlate the make/model and ORD part numbers on your gauge faces and compare them with your M38 parts manual ORD 9 SNL G-740.
Joined: Sep 22, 2021 Posts: 59 Location: Czech Republic, Europe
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 4:39 am Post subject:
Thank you for your advice!
This panel is not in my Jeep, but I have the option to buy it, for about $ 267.
In my Jeep there is a 12V installation, an ammeter, an oil pressure gauge and a thermometer are different, I will send a photo, maybe someone will know what it is from, it is a US production, probably not military. _________________ <div>Václav S.
</div><div>1951 M38
1967
</div><div>DKW-Munga F91/4</div>
In my Jeep there is a 12V installation, an ammeter, an oil pressure gauge and a thermometer are different, I will send a photo, maybe someone will know what it is from, it is a US production, probably not military.
Your instrument cluster is clearly the early M38 MILITARY cluster but you have indicated it has three civilian 12V gauges.
If you wish your M38 to look like it came from the factory then at least purchasing the correct military gauges and their correctly matched senders is the way to go.
If you desire to have a very useful 24V restoration that you can comfortably drive daily then I would stick with good quality, modern direct reading gauges and just paint their bezels OD. The only tough choice here is to either modify you 12V fuel quantity gauge system by adding a resistor to reduce input voltage from 24 to 12 and paint the gauge bezel OD or purchase a new 24V gauge and sender. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Brian, His panel on his jeep has the edge showing in my last post photo. It does have the CB & Connector screws. The Panel he posted in his opening post is of one he is interested in buying. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Sep 22, 2021 Posts: 59 Location: Czech Republic, Europe
Posted: Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:27 pm Post subject:
I'm adding photos of the devices from the panel, maybe someone will know what vehicle they are from.
Another problem is that the transfer to the thermometer and pressure gauge is not electric, but capillary ...
[img][/img] _________________ <div>Václav S.
</div><div>1951 M38
1967
</div><div>DKW-Munga F91/4</div>
I had hoped you would have explained which restoration route you are taking. #1 or #2. Please answer which of these are your goal.
Quote:
#1 - If you wish your M38 to look like it came from the factory then at least purchasing the correct military gauges and their correctly matched senders is the way to go.
#2 - If you desire to have a very useful 24V restoration that you can comfortably drive daily then I would stick with good quality, modern direct reading gauges and just paint their bezels OD. The only tough choice here is to either modify you 12V fuel quantity gauge system by adding a resistor to reduce input voltage from 24 to 12 and paint the gauge bezel OD or purchase a new 24V gauge and sender.
My current assessment of your instrument cluster is a highly modified M38 early cluster. If it had come off some other Military truck it would have been from the same time period and most of those used a 6 gauge cluster to accommodate the air brake pressure gauge. The only real close one is the Dodge M37 but that is the later M38 type.
Here's an example of heavy truck clusters from the same early 50's.
This is my assessment of your currently installed panel. It would be nice if you can post a photo of the back side of the cluster. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Sep 22, 2021 Posts: 59 Location: Czech Republic, Europe
Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2021 7:26 am Post subject:
Thank you all.
I'm just considering the renewal journey, it's not easy, our parts are only on Mutty, almost none on the M38, there is expensive mail from the USA.
Maybe tomorrow I will send a photo of the back of the cluster, I was vaccinated yesterday and today I am just lying. _________________ <div>Václav S.
</div><div>1951 M38
1967
</div><div>DKW-Munga F91/4</div>
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