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Investig8
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 Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:54 pm Post subject: Replacement Tubs |
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Hello All...
After surveying the body on my newly acquired jeep, I am seeing a considerable amount of rust through so I am considering a replacement tub, rather than fabricated repair. I have seen several different vendors and prices of these tubs and am looking for direction as to my best option. Any recommendations or experiences would be helpful!
thanks,
Dennis
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Kendall
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Where is the rust? If in the floor pans and under the tool box some vendors sell replacements. That is what I did with my M38 to take care of a lot of the rust. If yours is like most there will also be rust in the right-rear corner panel. I cut it out and replaced it with some sheet steel.
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rgmutchler
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Mine was rusted pretty bad. I bought an NOS floor and firewall, (Mullins has them with and without the firewall), two lower cowls, the rear valence and the support for the right rear fender well, rear floor(all from Classic industries in WI) for a whole lot less than a tub and then rebuilt the body. I made a rotisserie and used the frame as a jug. I also had initially purchased some MDJUAN body panels but they were not anywhere close to fitting properly. The Classic Industries stuff fit almost perfectly.
Another plus to rebuilding the body is that the MDJUAN stuff is not an exact replacement. As an example the original and Classic Industries Lower cowl supports will fit inside the MDJUAN lower cowl support it is so out sized. There are some pictures in my album
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Mike_B
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| Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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When I did my A1 I only used Classic Industries parts and am very happy with the outcome. The only parts original to my tub are the firewall, cowl, toe board, transmission hump and both tub sides...every else is new, front floors, tool box, riser, rear floor, wheel housings and rear tail light panel.
The Tool Box came from M D Juan and had to be taken apart and modified to fit correctly...they built it to tall. I also reused my original lid as they didn't have the correct latch or support hat channel, they just used a piece of angle metal. So if you have to use their panels, just know you'll have additional work to do to make it fit.
There's a new tub supplier from India, but the M38 tubs are not on the market yet...only the early Jeep's.
Mike B 
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L84dinner
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I have a 2013 vintage MD Juan M38 kit - tub, fenders, grill, tailgate windshield. It was lots of work making it fit and drilling or moving holes. I am told later kits are better.
My current challenge is to rework the floor panels around the transmission tower. I need to move it 1 1/4 inches toward the driver side. It interferes with both the transmission top cover tower and the bolts holding the cover down. Does anyone have experience in the best way to do this?
Many thanks,
John
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whydahdvr
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| Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:59 am Post subject: |
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I just saw a post on Facebook (or whatever the BLEEP it's called these days) from MD Juan about their new MAXI kits. MD Juan used to post on this site on our supplier review section. It would be great to get an update from them on their new kits, tubs, etc. to see how well they match up now vs in the past.
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TomM
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| Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 7:00 am Post subject: Body kits |
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Being clear - there are only 2 manufacturers of reproduction tubs: MDJuan (Phillipines) & SGI (India).
Any vendors you see in the US sell one or the other. Do your research as there is plenty of first hand information on this and other flatfender forums on the tubs. MDJ has been around a long time so there are more writeups. SGI is relatively new and feedback is mostly for CJ2A and MB/GPW variants.
Your research will confirm that the MDJ tubs take a lot of metal work to make them fit, usually as much as if they had fixed their original. And the feedback Seems to be very positive for the fit and finish of the SGI tubs.
You’ll have to check whether SGI has an M38 / M38A1 variant available so if not you will be backed into MDJ as your only choice.
Personally I learned how to weld and fixed my original M38 tub including installing an NOS front floor. Now I’m working on a (stalled) very rusty CJ2A tub. And I have an SGI fender to paint this spring that will replace an MDJ fender on a GPW. The SGI got much more detail correct for the GPW where the MDJ is generic. |
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whydahdvr
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rgmutchler
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dpcd67
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| Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:56 am Post subject: |
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I only know of one replacement body, and it is made by MD Juan, no matter who sells it. I have used several of them, in WW2, CJ, and M38 configurations. I find them easy to use and they do fit. I don't know what the guys who say they take more work than fixing an original are doing; the ones I get fit very well; I only had one small issue with a CJ one. Nothing is perfect but they have worked for me. Fitting a GPW one now; if you want to see how well it fits; come over; we are in Northern Ill.
I get them from C&C Equipment; good prices and they have a good deal with trucking companies.
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whydahdvr
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Any new information or updates on the SGI tubs?
These posts are from about 2 years ago. I'm interested in any new impressions of both MDJuan and SGI.
Thanks!
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RonD2
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If it helps, Metalshaper over on the YT has half a dozen videos about SGI tubs.....CJ3A and CJ5 projects if I recall correctly.....from about 6-8 months ago to 2 years, with updates once in a while.
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