Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: M38 Winch Frame
Does any one know what the dimensions are of the 2 pieces of angle iron that mount the winch frame to the Jeep frame?
Thanks _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
I don't have the numbers handy but it fills the space between the front crossmember and the back edge of the bumper and is the same dimensional angle as the two end angles in the welded the frame assembly which is 2". The length would be 9" to 9 1/4".
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:01 am Post subject:
Just a F.Y.I.: I have a different dimension between the angle on the end of the welded frame and the angle that bolts to the inside of the Jeep frame that the welded frame bolts to.
They are both 2"X2" angle but they are not the same thickness.
My dimensions are taken from an original Ramsey winch frame that was on a M38 that I restored for a customer.
I used his frame to create a drawing in AutoCAD to fabricate winch frames that I have sold over the years.
Another note the front piece of the welded frame is the same 2"X2"X1/4" "T" stock that is used in the M31C gun pedestal. On the pedestal mount, one leg of the "T" stock is cut down to 3/4". _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
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Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:44 am Post subject:
Interesting. I went and bought some 2x2 angle to make the mounts that the winch frame bolts to. What thickness is the piece that the winch frame bolts to on your original? I think the 2x2 angle iron I bought was 1/8 inch. _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
Just a F.Y.I.: I have a different dimension between the angle on the end of the welded frame and the angle that bolts to the inside of the Jeep frame that the welded frame bolts to.
They are both 2"X2" angle but they are not the same thickness.
Pat,
What dimension do you have for the two angles? (end angle on winch frame vs angle that bolts to chassis.) _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Well since we can't seem to get a dimension for the piece of angle used between the winch frame and the chassis frame rail perhaps someone can confirm my suspicion that since the end pieces of the winch frame are called out in the Willys blueprint for that application as 2" angle 1/4" thick it must stand to reason that the two pieces of angle used to mate the winch frame to the chassis will also be 2" angle 1/4" thick.
Does Rod or anyone with an installed M38 winch have the dimension on hand for those two pieces of angle in the photo above?
This is the Willys blue print for the winch frame which anyone can download and use for fabrication purposes.
Joined: Nov 01, 2011 Posts: 201 Location: Escondido, CA
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:16 pm Post subject:
Wes,
I get a "Not found" error when I click on your link to the full size blueprint. _________________ Jim McKim
1952 M38 son-father project
Slowly turning rusty parts into OD parts
Try it now. There were an odd 6 additional characters tacked on the end of the link. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject:
Wes,
Thanks for the picture. Is that the bracket that bolts to the winch frame and Jeep frame? If so I do not see the other set of holes that would be there to bolt to the Jeep frame. _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
The holes are there. It's that crappy Brown paint that makes things so dark they are hard to see. They are each about 1/2" inboard of the gussets.
Here I have lightened up the dark brown and you can see the holes better now.
The brackets labeled "L" & "H" in this illustration are the brackets in the photos above. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 92 Location: Kansas City
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:06 am Post subject:
Thank you Wes. Just one more thing. Does it appear to you that the left bracket appears to be about 1cm shorter than the right? The right appears to be 25cm,(0-25 in picture) probably 9.75 inches whereas the left one appears to be 24cm, (26-50 in picture) maybe 9.5 inches. _________________ Bill
GP, GPA, GPW, M38, M38A1
Bantam T-3, M100
MVPA #1196
I believe they are both the same length. The camera angle is the culprit.
The weld nut spacing is from the winch frame blueprint. The chassis attach holes I measured on the chassis of my M38. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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