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whydahdvr
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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: "Bling" Question - Jeep Scabbard |
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So I got a leather jeep scabbard - early gift - for my jeep and wanted to know if anyone has used one, seen it on a jeep (WWII or Korean War), how they've seen it attached, and what historical use they really have.
I've found that it's awkward carrying my M1 in my jeep unless it's lying in the back as I do not have the plastic jeep scabbard that gets attached to the windshield.
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whydahdvr
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I saw those for the M38 from MWM. But the last time I checked they were sold out and unsure of when they would be restocked.
They used the leather one's in WWII though, right? |
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whydahdvr
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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Gotcha. If I find a metal one for the windshield at a reasonable price I may pick it up but in the meantime I may use the scabbard as well, at least to keep the M1 secured in the jeep.
Are there any historical pictures of both kinds I could look at? I haven't done a recent hunt-and-peck through the historical photos uploaded here.
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The leather scabbard on WW2 jeeps most commonly was attached with the leather straps through the windshield and the "nose" sat on the drivers step behind the shovel on the drivers side. Your M1 Garand was at the ready that way. Hopefully we get to keep them in the future.  John |
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timjuhl
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:51 pm Post subject: Scabbard |
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I've seen a number of WWII Jeeps at the Oshkosh (Airventure) re-enactors encampment with leather scabbards. The top straps are typically attached to the left hand mirror base. That way it didn't interfere with folding the windshield down. The Jeeps I saw had scabbards for Thompson's, M1's and M1 Carbines. FWIW - the same scabbards might have been used by motorcycle troops and mounted cavalry during and before WWII.
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whydahdvr
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Wes, unfortunately so true. Look at what has happened in Ireland, Scotland, and Britain with their gun laws. Ridiculous. Leaves the public completely at risk - no real risk mitigation.
Thanks for pics and info. The scabbard definitely looks like it was designed for the motorcycle corps and mounted cav units. |
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skyjeep50
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Found this photo from Military Vehicles magazine - MB-GPW's in Korea loaded down with all kinds of baggage and equipment. I don't see any scabbards (that was a WWII thing) but there is a BAR leaning against the dash of the nearest jeep. The scabbards were cavalry issue meant for use with mounted troops. Since the jeep repaced the horse for scouting I can see where soldiers took along any usefull item to equip their new mounts. Of note in the photo is that every jeep's windshield is folded flat as was the practice in combat zones. A windshield-mounted rifle holder would have hindered getting to the weapon quickly. As to the M38, I am not sure but I don't think it was used extensively in combat anywhere. Certainly not like these MB-GPW's or the later M38A1's and M151's in Vietnam. Real jeeps, real men.
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| Quote: | | Of note in the photo is that every jeep's windshield is folded flat as was the practice in combat zones. A windshield-mounted rifle holder would have hindered getting to the weapon quickly. |
Don't forget that the WW2 jeep has the carbine holder mounted "upside down" (compared to the M38), so it would be in easy reach of the driver when the windshield was folded down. Must've been a pain when the windshield was up though.
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Good point Evan. The metal rifle holder on my M38 will work with a Garand, M1 carbine or a Thompson but it faces up so when the windshield is folded it faces forward. I wonder why the military switched mounting methods?
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