While I was snowed in....

Deino · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:25 am Post subject: While I was snowed in....

My dad sent me this picture:

That's his '52 M38 he rescued at a state auction two years ago. The top is new, and he says he completely understands now why that floor plate above the steering column is always missing.

Meanwhile, my jeep sits in a garage with no top, with no way for me to get to it. Laughing

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1952 M38 (MC56474, 33 108M HQ6)
1953 M38A1 (MD54216, 40-I-160I B-35)
1954 M170 (MD-A10513)
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whydahdvr · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:01 am Post subject:

How did it drive in the snow? Looks great!

toojeeps · Member Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Paris KY

Surprisingly well. I was not sure considering all the stories about NDTs and NDCCs on wet and snowy roads. I went through some one foot drifts with no problem. Battered my way though a two foot drift by backing up and hitting it again. I did encounter some slippage on the plowed roads, but no real control problems. Lots of fun.

Jim · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:43 am Post subject:

We have a historic train excursion twice a week
here, and I sometimes take our M38 down for an
exhibit. Veterans tell me great stories and one
mentioned being an officer's driver in Germany
during the winters. He said he'd take the floor
plate off, wrap a GI blanket around the pedals
and his legs, and be 'toasty' whilst the officer froze.
You can't beat the American GI for smarts!

Jim in Darkest Arkansas

PS: Bill Mauldin's Willie and Joe US Stamp is coming.

weasel · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:13 am Post subject:

Most people in Canada when driving in snowy conditions who are about to have an accident say oh no while in Alberta you hear watch this!

toojeeps · Member Joined: Aug 24, 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Paris KY

In Kentucky, we say "Yall watch this"

Cacti_Ken · Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject:

Before I restored my M38 I used it for hunting. The lease I was on had roads that had limstone rock and dirt. When it rained the roads got pretty sloppy in places where there wasn't much rock but more dirt that was turned to mud. I had at that time some NDT's on it. There wasn't much control on the slippery and muddy road unless I got a wheel into an established rut made by other vehicles.
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jeeper50 · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:28 pm Post subject: Fun

Looks like fun.

I did the same thing here in GA, last weekend.

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RickC · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject:

I know they are pretty bad traction-wise but the look of a non-directional tire track in the snow or dirt just gets me all fuzzy inside!!!

wesk · Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:49 pm Post subject:

They are outright dangerous on wet, hard, smooth surfaces when heavy braking is needed.

Try to picture this scene in your head.

It snowed 2" last nite. You planned on driving your M38 to the club meeting this morning (with NDCC's) and no reason not to with those great lugged hard biting tires. As you approach an intersection your son starts to climb out of his seat. You quickly grab his arm and tell him to sit still and rebuckle his belt then as you turn your attention back to the intersection you are there, the lite is red and you slam on the brakes. NDCC's will bite while turning but just become ice skates with the wheels locked up and she actually accelerates. As you slide into the intersection a Mom with her two kids is on the way to town and "T" bones you.

Who's fault and who wins here! Shocked

What can be lost here???
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whydahdvr · Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:03 am Post subject:

So the NDCC's do well in sand and dirt but seem to not be very good for mud or snow. Why did/does the military stick with them (I've seen NDCC's on towed artillery and on trailers - which makes sense to me, they're towed)? Is it just that the more aggressive tread tires didn't come out until after this time period? Was it a military requirement? I'm curious. I guess for my jeep, which will mostly be used in the Summer and in a sandy environment, that the NDCC's will be fine, but it would be good to know if I should swap for a new set when the time comes to replace them. Thanks!
-Josh

wesk · Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:34 pm Post subject:

weasel · Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject:

Here in Canada a good winter tire has to have a softer rubber.
this is the first year I put on some good rubber and what a difference on
ice, my neighbor got his 4X4 chev stuck and I was able to pull him out quite easily.

Cacti_Ken · Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject:

Yeah these NTD's & NDCC's are like bald tires on wet pavement
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whydahdvr · Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the info. Since I never intend to show my jeep, but intend to use it and certainly might in the winter, then I'll probably get a set of "modern" tires and wheels to swap out for the seasons.
I know on our MRAPs, Stryker's, and HMVVE's out here they all use the "modern" treads but some of the trailer's and towed artillery still have the others on them.


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