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Brinken
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:11 am    Post subject: M38A1 question about serial number Reply with quote

Hi guys
I have a new friend in the Swedish jeep community who have recently purchased a jeep, which the former owner claims it is a M38A1. The serial number is DMV36221CA, imported to Sweden from Newport Beach California in 1996.
I am not familiar with that kind of serial number, could it be a fake number or has it some relevance? The jeep seems to be rebuilt in some parts so the serial number can be fake.
Any information about this is appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears to me to be a number issued by the California (CA) Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to obtain a vehicle title in lieu of a missing vehicle serial number. So no relevance to its military history.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for this information Kendall, it was very useful and not known before
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some DMV's in this country would often utilize the vehicle's 5 digit serial and preface it with a state ID (in this case "DMV" [Division of Motor Vehicles] and Suffix it with a state related ID "CA" [California]) If this is the case with this jeep then it's original serial may well be MD36221 which would be a Dec 52 or Jan 53 M38A1. If the state in question used to use engine serials for title purposes and a few US States did this up into the late 1950's then the ID'g of this jeep becomes more difficult. Usually when a state issues a newly required (by the US Government since the late 1970's) 17 Digit VIN the jeeps's original factory 5 digit serial is ignored completely.

There are traits which easily earmark a jeep an M38A1 or a CJ5. The easiest trait is the frame. If the front of the frame rails from the bumper to the firewall are fully boxed then it is an M38A1 chassis. If the machine gun pedestal support plate is on the frame then it is an M38A1 frame. If the rear of the tub is a solid panel it is an M38A1, if it has a tailgate it is probably not an M38A1. The dash is a tough ID point becuse you can easily unbolt one model dash and substitute another model dash. But the actual presence of the dual battery box in the cowl is a very strong indicator the tub is M38A1.
You can use my photo album's sub-album M38A1, M170, M38A1 CDN Survey guide here to help: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album87&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Also the patent plates are often overlooked as a serial source because they are hidden behind the passenger seat and usually covered with many coats of paint.







To be sure you can download a copy of our M38A1 survey form, complete it and email it to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Wes for your info, obvious signs for an A1 and a CJ easily overseen. I will inform my new friend.
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