m38 a 1 chassis paint

[repelado]

[b]Dear forum people from Argentina My question is the following: What type of paint were the chassis and general elements of the m38a1 painted with, thank you[/b]

[wesk]

Frame was black.

Body and engine was OD2430.

19 years ago Ryan Miller posted these:

[Kendall]

Wes,
Ryan said the frame was OD but you are saying black. So since 19 years ago there is documentation that frames from the factory were black?
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1951 M38
1952 M38
1952 M38A1
1942 Dodge WC-55
1951 M100 trailer
1942 Ben Hur trailer

[repelado]

Thank you very much for your answers but my curiosity is focused on what type of paint is used, I am referring more to its chemical composition. Thank you very much.

[wesk]

That answer is in TT-C-595 dated 1950. This was superseded in about 1956 but if you want correct military standard date for Willys Army contracted production from 1950 thru 55 you must locate a copy of this document.

I have not yet found a copy of TT-C-595 other than small excerpts. An alternative is to use the first issue of FS-595 Dtd 1956 and find the closest color to what you want to use and use it's pigmentation codes found in that manual.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

[RonD2]

[wesk]

The pigment contents for each color are broken down in the federal standards.
Military painters are well aware of the correct data sources for correct mixing of paint chemicals and pigmentation requirements. The entire purpose of the 595 series of pubs is to help the user select the appropriate paint code. Those of us that decide to mix our own paints will simply have to unearth and study the appropriate military painting manuals. The 595 cards point us to a selected color code and we deliver the card and/or the code to our painter who knows the next step.

Here's a 1988 edition of TM 43-0139 How to Paint Army equipment & vehicles. I prefer to use these later manuals for paint mixing instructions because the available paint materials we have today are more likely to be covered in the more modern manuals.

http://manuals.chudov.com/Camo-Paint-Manual.pdf

Here's another nice info web site: https://www.militarytrader.com/mv-101/paint-preparation-dos-and-do-nots

Bottom line it is much simpler to go to the paint shop with your color card from the 595 manual and let the paint shop folks do their job.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

[repelado]

Thank you very much for all the answers. And yes, my intention is to know the chemical composition of the paint that covered the chassis and the lower part of the body. I will take it to a workshop like. They tell me my vehicle is from the year 62. In Argentina, 129 new ones were bought in that year to the United States For now I see that many parts of my chassis still have the original paint and I also see that it is a very resistant type of paint compared to what is known today as epoxy. In any case, it is very common to paint with a type of paint called synthetic that is not very resistant well I will see how I continue again Thank you very much

[4x4M38]

According to Ryan’s book the 1950-52 M38’s were finish coated with synthetic enamel by Willys Overland.

Hopefully someone can confirm the M38A1’s circa his vehicle were also painted with synthetic enamel.
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Brian
1950 M38
MC11481
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album372&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

[wesk]

Synthetic was not a good term to use when discussing 1950's and 1960's paint. Using that adjective leads people to think there was non-synthetic which is false. All the paints used then were synthetic man made. The industry definition of synthetic paint makes it quite clear that the other choice was also man made synthetic/natural compounds.