M38 Excessive Body Angle

[lilm38]

What would cause this situation?
The springs U-bolts are all torqued to spec.
The springs are correct with the proper number of leaves.
The tires are inflated to correct PSI.
The body tun DID have some warpage in the replaced driver side floor pan but was gone once the tub got bolted down to the frame.
The shocks are all new.
The spring shackles are old but with very limited mileage.
The tub mounting rubber spacers are new and equal thickness..
I tried to offset the difference by adjusting the tub spacers but it doesn't really make any difference.
It seems to drive fine, I detect no pull from one side or the other or difficulty holding the wheel straight
I'm hoping it's not because the frame is twisted but considering the thieves who did the "frame repairs" I would say "Yeah.That figures."
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[RonD2]

Got to put [img] in front of your photo link to make it visible, like this.

Did you search the forum for the infamous "jeep lean"?
More than a few hits like this one: http://willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1846&highlight=jeep+lean

Factory frame specs are in Chapter 13 of the Army manual TM9-1804B if you want to measure for twist.


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Ron D.
1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51

“The only good sports car that America ever made was the Jeep."
--- Enzo Ferrari

[4x4M38]

Are the springs new or within factory specs?
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Brian
1950 M38
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[Xamon]

looking at it I would just say it is jeep lean and might be time to swap the springs from left to right.
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[4x4M38]

I don’t know if that’s the original poster’s jeep or one Ron found a photo of.
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Brian
1950 M38
MC11481
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[RonD2]

Yes, it's lilm38 (the OP's) photo that he tried unsuccessfully to post for us.
All I did was put the "[img]" in front of his link so we could see it.

It looks like Wes just fixed his photo for him.
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Ron D.
1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51

“The only good sports car that America ever made was the Jeep."
--- Enzo Ferrari

[Beast]

Yep, Jeep lean. This is the whole reason I relocated my radio set to the passenger side fenderwell to help balance the Jeep. With the radio on the proper driver's side and with just usually a driver in it, it had quite the Jeep lean going.

Plus, it's a little exaggerated in that photo, look at the straight line of the concrete and if that was tiled level, it wouldn't look so bad. Yes, it is leaning to the driver's side, just looks more because the angle of the photo.
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[wesk]

I would suspect with all structural items correct and weight equal when there are multiples that the additional weight of 13 gallons of gas (110.5 lbs), the driver (200 Lbs) that the jeep would have the indicated left tilt even though the 30 Lbs of tire is offset slightly to the right.


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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

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[lilm38]

Thanks for the responses. In reference to the springs, yes, they are the original springs that were on it when I got it at a scrap auction 25 years ago. They had definitely seen some use at that time. i took them to a spring shop to have them re-arched plus new clamps and rivets put in, but they said it would be cheaper to buy new springs. Might be the time to do that I think.