Top bow to windshield rod holder

Brinken · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 8:38 am Post subject: Top bow to windshield rod holder

Hi guys
I have purchased a brand new canvas top from John & Mary Worthing in England, but I have forgotten the rods creating the door apperture. I can make these rods myself thanks to to the advisory picture in Wes photo album, but I can not find any info regarding the rod bracket shown in the red ring in the photo below.

Can anyone of you guys help me with measures and dimensions for this windshield bracket?
Thanks
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//Jan-Olof
1961 M38A1
1955 Roset/Polynorm trailer
Photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album453&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

wesk · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:11 pm Post subject:

Please take a few moments to help Jan-Olaf out.

Also Option B is buy new ones:

Midwest Military, AJP, Surplus City and DeBella all offer them.
http://store.midwestmilitary.com/product-p/680822r.htm
https://www.armyjeepparts.com/p-2134-bracket-support-side-rail-left-top-to-windshield-680821.aspx
http://www.surplusjeep.com/M38A1/m38a1-group_18_body.htm
https://www.debellajeepparts.com/m38m38a1body.htm

Brinken · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:31 pm Post subject:

Wes
Thanks for the good info and your pictures, it helps a bit. Your sketch also clear my mind regarding "my holes" in the windshield which are oriented in an angle, not horisontal or vertical, se "my window" below.

I think I will try to make them myself, if anyone can help me with the major outer measures. My experience nowadays is that it will become very expensive to buy things from USA, as they put VAT and customs fee on everything coming in to Sweden.
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//Jan-Olof
1961 M38A1
1955 Roset/Polynorm trailer
Photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album453&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

wesk · Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:38 pm Post subject:

Note there are no nuts with the four screws. The Brackets have threaded weld plates on them. I see no reason why you cannot just use standard nuts on the inside. I checked my old 1960 CJ5 and they look identical and when I checked the CJ5 IPL I noticed their part numbers were different. I do not see why they would not work on an M38A1 though.

The CJ5 PN's are 688925 left and 688926 right. You may be able to find these in Europe or Scandinavia.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Brinken · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:04 am Post subject:

Thanks Wes, you are incredible. I will look around here in Sweden and in countries within the EU, this will make life easier.

Do you think it will be possible for you to go out to your old CJ5 again and take the measures U, R and W mentioned on your sketch? These measures are crusial If I have to make these brackets myself.
Thanks again
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//Jan-Olof
1961 M38A1
1955 Roset/Polynorm trailer
Photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album453&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

bluewatersailor · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:13 am Post subject:

I have a pair of the brackets here in Italy. They need paint, but are otherwise in good shape. Would you like them? David
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David Manning
1952 M38A1, 1953 M38A1, 1954 M38-A1, 1952 M100
Photos on Page 10 of Members Albums.

Brinken · Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:49 pm Post subject:

Yes David I would like to have your pair of brackets. But can you give me a couple of days to be sure my Swedish supplier can't make it.
Thanks
I will let you know as soon as possible.
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//Jan-Olof
1961 M38A1
1955 Roset/Polynorm trailer
Photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album453&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

bluewatersailor · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:38 am Post subject:

I am curious. What is the purpose of the notch on these brackets? Anybody know? David
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David Manning
1952 M38A1, 1953 M38A1, 1954 M38-A1, 1952 M100
Photos on Page 10 of Members Albums.

Brinken · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:06 am Post subject:

I have thought about the same and the only answer I can find is to put the loose part of the chain there when the rod is in place and the pin on the end of the chain is securing the rod.
Do anyone else have a more rationell answer?
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//Jan-Olof
1961 M38A1
1955 Roset/Polynorm trailer
Photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album453&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

wesk · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:32 am Post subject:

Perhaps to ensure clearance for the Vac Wiper tubing. On early fording equipped A1's there was also a right hand tube that went to the air cleaner.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

bluewatersailor · Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:50 am Post subject:

Makes sense to me. dwm
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David Manning
1952 M38A1, 1953 M38A1, 1954 M38-A1, 1952 M100
Photos on Page 10 of Members Albums.

timjuhl · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:39 am Post subject: Brackets

The above thread is a great example of international cooperation. Very gratifying to see.

Tim
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Tim Juhl
1952 M38A1
1946 Aeronca L16A Army Liaison Aircraft

wesk · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:17 am Post subject:

As I mentioned earlier I have a 60 & 61 CJ5. I have M38A1 windshield bow rod support brackets on my 60 CJ5 windshield and I have a 61 CJ5 windshield with stock CJ5 brackets on it. Here's a comparison photo:

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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

4x4M38 · Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:33 pm Post subject:

That's interesting that they are different at all and have different
apart numbers.

I think you have the left and right labels reversed on the top pics Wes.

Another great thread showing peculiarities from one vehicle manufacturer on
parts that one would think would be identical.
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Brian
1950 M38
MC11481
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album372&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Brinken · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 6:48 am Post subject:

David
My local jeep parts supplier found a pair for me.
PM sent
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//Jan-Olof
1961 M38A1
1955 Roset/Polynorm trailer
Photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=album453&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php


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