Joined: Mar 22, 2017 Posts: 301 Location: Great Mills, MD
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:07 am Post subject: Pintle Hook Question
For the M38A1 the ORD shows the pintle hook as not having a chain and pin, but I keep seeing folks list pintles with the chain and pin as correct for the M38A1. Did the later M38A1's use the pintle with the chain and pin......or was that used only on the M151?
Joined: May 30, 2014 Posts: 3444 Location: Texas Hill Country
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:35 pm Post subject:
FYI,
There are lots of examples of folks selling NOS
In the box, surplus 12 volt equipment for the M38......
Your friendly neighborhood Ord 9 G758 September 1956
has the pintle equipment starting on page 264.
No chain and pin, and no suoerceded by....
For what it's worth the M38 G740 does not show a pin
and chain either. The only pins and chains on both
vehicles listed in Frame Assembly and Brackets are for
the lifting shackles.
During my 22 years on active duty I never saw a new pintle show up with a pin & chain but everyone of our truck's pintle got a pin and chain. Non-powered AGE on the flight line (Maint stands, engine trailers & runup fences etc) all had pintles so you could tow more than one at a time and they all had pins & chains. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Feb 17, 2012 Posts: 530 Location: Del City, OK
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:32 am Post subject:
My M-38 does not have a pin or chain, but the only thing I tow is my M-100 trailer...
If I were to do it over again or upgrade it, there would be a pin and chain...
Twenty-five plus years ago I was driving an M-35 with a 7000 lb mobilizer attached to the pintle and being in such a hurry (trying to get home ahead of a snow / ice storm) I forget to verify the pin was in and safety wired down... End result was I went past an intersection and a lady in a car pointed to the rear of my truck, the mobilizer was swinging from side to side. I had to cross a two lane bridge before I could stop. Got pulled over and the only thing that saved my bacon was the air lines and safety chains were still hooked up. Van cost was $2 Million.
We got the truck reconnected and got on the road again... only damage was a little metal scrapped off the tow bar of the mobilizer...
Lesson learned ALWAYS verify the pin is in and safety wired...
I still tow Pintle equipped Generator in my job, they are always pinned and wired... _________________ Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK
I might also mention that another justification for having the pin on a chain is to ensure that the pin doesn't become FOD (foreign object debris).
My part time employment takes me to many places and flight lines where FOD doesn't get dealt with as strictly as it does here in the U.S. You'd be amazed at all the stuff I pick up off the ground there.
A jet engine can very easily blow debris such as that and turn it into a tiny missile and as you might also imagine, having FOD run through a rather expensive jet engine is frowned upon by the people who use them to stay in the air.
And, for those of us who are earth-bound, FOD can also have consequences.
Meaning money spent where you didn't want to spend it.
So there's a lot of reasons to keep that pin on a chain. To keep it ready for use and to keep it from ending up in places where it doesn't belong.
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End result was I went past an intersection and a lady in a car pointed to the rear of my truck, the mobilizer was swinging from side to side. I had to cross a two lane bridge before I could stop. Got pulled over and the only thing that saved my bacon was the air lines and safety chains were still hooked up. Van cost was $2 Million.
