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M38 Brake Flex Hoses

 
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RonD2
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:34 pm    Post subject: M38 Brake Flex Hoses Reply with quote

Replacing my cracked but not leaking flexible brake hoses and I notice the "new" ones I received from a popular supplier have a different style fitting on one end.

What I took off has these little horse-shoe shaped clips that don't appear to serve any purpose that I can see:



The "new" hoses don't have these clips, but do have the slot for the typical heavy spring clip that retains them to the mounting bracket.

Both are functional, but is either one more correct for the M38? I'm not building a show queen --- am asking more out of curiosity.

Btw, the dates stamped in my "new" rubber hoses date back to 2014. Kind of hard to take a "new" hose that's already pushing 6 years old before any brake juice ever flows in it...... Shocked.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would help if you would post photos of both hoses that you are referring to.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, gimme 5.

Can't post them side-by-side in one photo because trash day is tomorrow and they're already in the bin. I hope this shows the difference? The old connector is longer because it has the extra slot for that little horse-shoe clip. The "nut" to tighten the fitting on the new connector is considerably shorter than the old connector, but both are still 11/16.



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1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
1954 M100 Dunbar Kapple M750759 dod 1-54

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the old connector, the little horse-shoe "C-clip" has it's own distinct groove machined into the connector. This is hard to see in my photo.......ok, I'm going to go root through the trash can to get a better photo.

I didn't try to fit one onto the new connector, mainly because it never occurred to me --- because it didn't come with a new one (like is pictured in a lot of the suppliers photos of them). I'll see if one of my old clips will fit where you show one on the new connector.

I agree that it must be modern aftermarket production different style anyway. But I can't see that this clip serves any purpose on the M38. Ok without them?
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1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
1954 M100 Dunbar Kapple M750759 dod 1-54

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, recovered one out of the trash can. I recall Brian told me to never, ever, throw anything away Laughing. I need to clean it up for a photo shoot and it's past my bedtime with work day tomorrow. Please stand by.
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1951 M38 Unknown Serial Number
1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
1954 M100 Dunbar Kapple M750759 dod 1-54

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--- Enzo Ferrari

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Bad! Right, the round circlips are not used on the later fittings since the hex faces are more pronounced and will retain the fitting in the bracket on their own. The small groove is for the square spring steel bowed slide clips to tightly hold the fitting in the brackets.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I'd post the side-by-side photo of both styles to close the loop on this. I'm going to use the new hoses that don't have the little horse-shoe clips.

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1951 M100 Dunbar Kapple 01169903 dod 5-51
1954 M100 Dunbar Kapple M750759 dod 1-54

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--- Enzo Ferrari

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