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Setting up a Military Dwell meter?

 
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 2:09 pm    Post subject: Setting up a Military Dwell meter? Reply with quote

I recently purchased a military Dwell meter and its a bit different than my good old Craftsman meter. My M38 is in perfect running order but I wanted to get familiar with the meter for future use.

I was following the DA 750-22 Pamphlet for set up, but it still leaves me with some questions. Connected using the Military Adapter set.

Meter, not connected, but how it should be set up for use when connected? sorry about the glare:


Meter not connected:


Meter Connected, needle adjusted to "Set Line" with dwell adjustment knob: Correct Set up? Seemed like I got a good dwell reading if it is correct.


This is my biggest question: Connected - engine running at idle. Um, that tach reading cant be right... Am I missing something? Lead from meter is attached to #1 spark plug adapter with the split sleeve clamp. Triple checked all connections/wire ~ maybe the meter is bad? Last documented use was 1970.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a Simpson unit?
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wesk wrote:
Is it a Simpson unit?


Im assuming so, but any Simpson unit ive seen has round knobs. I cant find any markings on the unit aside from a postal stamp sized Army Calibration Tag that has "Type - Model 99664/CDTS" on the outside case.
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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2022 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take a look at the two Tach/Dwell Meter test set manuals I have loaded on our Downloads Page:

http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=71
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wesk wrote:
Take a look at the two Tach/Dwell Meter test set manuals I have loaded on our Downloads Page:

http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=71


I dont know how I missed that since I was printing up several manuals this weekend, but I did... Thanks Wesk!
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Followed the TM and still have that goofy RPM reading... Must be the unit.
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PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is the goofy RPM reeding?

Are you testing a stock 24V coil with stock contact points?
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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wesk wrote:
What exactly is the goofy RPM reeding?

Are you testing a stock 24V coil with stock contact points?


Yep, 24 Volt system and this is the idle RPM im getting from the meter. Even after rechecking all connections per the TM ~ I still get the same reading. No change on the dial if I switch from high/low setting.

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PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2022 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And you know that RPM reading is incorrect how?

And the rest of my 24V question? Stock distributor with contact points or a Pertronics type system.
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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2022 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wesk wrote:
And you know that RPM reading is incorrect how?

And the rest of my 24V question? Stock distributor with contact points or a Pertronics type system.


Going by ear ~ and I know my Jeep doesn't idle at 210 RPM. And switching to high sensitivity setting has no effect on the RPM reading. Needle just sits in the same spot. The TM doesn't mention troubleshooting incorrect readings aside from just rechecking connections.

And yes, its the stock distributor with points.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But the photo of the switch shows it on the 0-6000 position. so its idling fast at just over 1000rpm. hi - lo sensitivity doesnt change the meter range.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the problem with gauge photos that do not include the knobs. We have no way of knowing where the knob was when the picture of the 210 was posted. If it was really on the 0-6000 mark then his RPM is 1200 and not 210.
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2022 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the bad lighting in the pic, the shadow is deceiving. The knob is on the 0-1200 range and showing 210 RPM.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2022 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was it is better to illustrate a meter reading while it is actually being taken with the meter switches in view. Your illustration shows the selector knob halfway between the 4Cyc. 1200 and 6000 ranges and the needle is on zero.

At any rate insure the ground connection you are using is the engine itself.

Have you removed the case and checked for the meter wiring diagram usually found inside? That diagram will tell you the make of the unit.
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PostPosted: Fri May 13, 2022 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The poor lighting and shadows from playing in the garage at 2am make the knobs look like they are out of position. But I followed the manuals set up instructions.

The dwell meter works 100% and matches my previous multimeter reading. Its just the tach side of the unit is being fussy for some reason.

I will take your advice and open the case on the meter - see if there is any corrosion or loose connections and give it another go.
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