That's all great, I appreciate your efforts, but I will point out none of the vendors list part numbers (WO or ORD) or dimensions for their straps.
Makes ordering the correct one difficult.
Hence my questions.
Now that you have the dimensions you can get on the Phone with the vendors and insist they take the needed measurements before you buy! _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Nov 16, 2021 Posts: 63 Location: NE Washington
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2023 9:52 pm Post subject:
Yes, but....
Before I ask a hardworking guy, a vendor who likely doesn't have a staff and will have to do it himself, and who I'll probably need a favor from in the future, to drop everything to measure a pretty obscure piece of inventory that I MIGHT buy from them for <$15?
-Can you give me your opinion if they have the spring type buckle?
That would jive with what John (at MWM) said and point me towards KW.
If they are, I can buy from KW (since MWM does not sell the top bow straps separately), or ask Peter DeBella if his have spring buckles.
Simple
I'm glad this isn't some complex vital part.
Like KW, PD says his are 100% correct. As I mentioned, he said his look like the one in the photos I referenced..which do not appear to have the fancy buckles.
I wonder how many well restored M-series Jeeps have the wrong WWII straps.
Gee, this such a relaxing hobby.
Come to think of it, I might go back to flying antique helicopters. _________________ 1955 M38A1 MD 82551
Former owner/restorer of 1977 CJ-5, stock with factory V-8.
Used as a daily driver for seven years.
You really need to study your TM 9-8014 and ORD 9 SNL G-758 and ORD 7 SNL G-758 much more closely. It is quite obvious that the slip type buckles were used at the factory on the M series jeeps, NOT the spring loaded serrated tab versions. Yes the many users may have replaced old straps over the years with spring type but that is up to you depending on weather you want original or later replacements.
Joined: Nov 16, 2021 Posts: 63 Location: NE Washington
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 12:27 am Post subject:
Thanks for those illustrations.
The trouble is the vendors.photos do not show enough detail.
Then you have them saying what they have (spring type) is correct when the manual seems to say they aren't.
I'm a lifelong aircraft nerd.
I can get very esoteric about all manner of minutiae details.
But ID-ing a strap buckle by a part number is a new one for me. _________________ 1955 M38A1 MD 82551
Former owner/restorer of 1977 CJ-5, stock with factory V-8.
Used as a daily driver for seven years.
Well I believe I presented more than adequate evidence that slip type buckles were used by the factory on the M38 & M38A1. That is all I can do for you. If you wish to believe the person who stands to profit from the sale of the wrong (Not original) buckle to you that is your call. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Nov 16, 2021 Posts: 63 Location: NE Washington
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2023 11:44 pm Post subject:
Wesk
I didn't say I didn't believe you.
It's just that I have had excellent service and advice from sellers like MWM. _________________ 1955 M38A1 MD 82551
Former owner/restorer of 1977 CJ-5, stock with factory V-8.
Used as a daily driver for seven years.
I thought this photo was very clear. The correct buckle uses a sliding bar that locks against the strap whereas the spring operated one uses a thumb operate spring lever that traps the strap when your thumb is released.
This is an original M series strap buckle. No springs.
This is the newest version of the early buckle found under the post 1980's NSN.
This leaves you with one choice for correct from factory, one chioce for a much later supply system substitution which uses a thin spring shaped rod to catch the strap, and lastly a vendor located suitable substitute for a field replaced buckle with a thumb loaded latch mechanism. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Photo #7 in that ad shows they are clearly slide type buckles and would be correct. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Nov 16, 2021 Posts: 63 Location: NE Washington
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:44 am Post subject:
KW lists all their M38A1 units with spring buckles.
Their slide type buckle is listed to fit the M38 and are 15" long.
Will that work on a M38A1? _________________ 1955 M38A1 MD 82551
Former owner/restorer of 1977 CJ-5, stock with factory V-8.
Used as a daily driver for seven years.
How's that 15" compare to the length specified in your M38A1's ORD 9 SNL G-758 parts manual?
Note: I am also an Aircraft nerd. Been wrenching and flying airplanes since 1966. I am 76 years young and still doing it. Have A&P, IA & PP with complex. I learned the importance of accurate parts research while still in the USAF working heavies and Army reserves working Hueys. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Nov 16, 2021 Posts: 63 Location: NE Washington
Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:50 pm Post subject:
I see that the manual says 22". I get it.
KW, who I'd guess know something, offer MB straps at 10.5", and M38 at 15.
So, will a 15" work? _________________ 1955 M38A1 MD 82551
Former owner/restorer of 1977 CJ-5, stock with factory V-8.
Used as a daily driver for seven years.
Good Idea Ron. Or he could cut a 15" piece of string and try it around his folded top or on his windshield to hood latch. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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