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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: M38/M38A1 top bow measurements Reply with quote

Could someone provide the measurements listed using the photos as a guide. Email me your answers. Please indicate weather your bows are original or reproduction, M38 or M38A1 and if repop do you know who produced them.

Drawing #1
A-
B-
C-
D-
E-
F-
G-
H-
I-
J-
K-
L-
M-

Drawing #2
A-
B-

Drawing #3
A-
B-
C-
D-
E-
F-

Drawing #4
A-
B-

Drawing #5
A-
B-



Drawing #1


Drawing #2


Drawing #3


Drawing #4


Drawing #5
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Top Bows Reply with quote

Wes,

Did you get any replies about this? I will be in Phoenix this week end but will get some measurements for you next week. I am not sure if my bows are original or repro. They came with my Jeep.

Dave
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Getting a response to a survey or a poll question on any of these forums is like pulling teeth. Everyone wants to use the free knowledge on these forums but very few wish to provide any help.

This is the most disappointing facet of owning and operating a site like this. The second most disappointing facet is a new member applicant pissing and moaning that asking him to reply to our verification email with his real name and email is
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some meesurements from my topbow but the "feet" part is broken

and I havent recived my MDJUAN repro yet.

Let me know if you want what I got

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes,
Please send the measurements available from your original bows and when you recieve them from the new reproduction bows. Also let me know who the repro Bow manufacturer is.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wes, I've been out of town, but I promise to measure and report back this weekend!

Out of curiosity, what do you need the info for and how is it going to be used? I'm always trying to learn something.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: M38/M38A1 top bow measurements Reply with quote

I have an NOS top bow manufactured in the late 50s if I remember correctly. Here are some dimensions.


Drawing #1
A-1"
B-1-1/4"
C-It's tough to locate the lower end of C since it's both tapered and curved there. C+E is 2-1/4"
D-
E-
F-2"
G-installed on Jeep at this time, can't measure
H-installed on Jeep at this time, can't measure
I-
J-installed on Jeep at this time, can't measure
K-installed on Jeep at this time, can't measure
L-
M-1-5/8"

Drawing #2
A-32-1/4"
B-installed on Jeep at this time, can't measure

Drawing #3
A-
B-
C-
D-1"
E-1-1/8"
F-1"

Drawing #4
A-57"
B-

Drawing #5
A-
B-
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have a member who has an original set in rough shape and needing a rebuild with some sections broken off and missing. I don't have any bows around here right now. I have an arctic top going on my current M38 project and my M38A1 has been sold for some time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me know if any of these do not make sense or you need an explanation.

Original bows for 1953 M38A1

Here's what I measured (all in inches):

Dwg 1:

A - 1
B - 1.25
C - 1.75
D - 3
E - 0.5
F - 2
G - 5.5
H - 3
I - 0.25
J - 0.75
K - 0.5
L - 1.125
M - 1.625

Dwg 2:

A - 32.5
B - 39.5

I added the following:

C - 3 (Inside radius of bend in bow tubing at top of bows - same on both)
D - 25.75 (End of bow to ctr of hole for top bow rod on outboard side of short bow)
E - 0.375 (Top bow rod hole diameter)

Dwg 3:

A - 1.5
B - 1.5
C - Approx 1 - very hard to tell
D - 1
E - 1.25 (assume this was to edge of tube, not entire bracket length)
F - 1

Dwg 4:

A - 57
B - 39.5

Dwg 5:

A - 57
B - 32.5
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Measurements for the forward bow for the support rod attachment points for 1952 M38 with a repro bow? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goor morning, you reload the drawings?? I canít see, i supossed for olders, thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a set of Midwest Military top bows sitting in the garage. Can get all the measurements off them, but the pictures need renewal...

Only measurement I cannot get is the hole for the front braces as that hole is not there... ( I actually need the measurement myself)

Thank, Wes...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hal,
Iím showing 25-1/8Ē from center to center of the two holes.

Brian
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian, this is from the hole at the bottom where the "T" bolt goes to the hole in the front frame member for the windshield brackets... Correct... want to be sure on this as I Do Not want to mess it up...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Buddy,
Itís from the hole at the bottom of the short bow that the bolt goes in,
that ties the two bows together, to the hole near the top where the horizontal rod goes in.

Maybe I can find a pic.
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