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W _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
I asked Rod several years ago if he was making them from the original drawing or from a sample and never got an answer. I have been looking for the original drawing for 6 years. I prefer to have a GI issue original for this set of dimensions and then I plan to build a new SC-C 28600 drawing from that. Our web site offers all tech data free of charge to it's members and they can use that data anyway they please. So the only answer to this lack of an original drawing is to reverse engineer an original block. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: May 05, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Del Rio, Texas
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject:
Ok...I'm going to be installing my radio and "modern" spacer blocks on my jeep within the next 4-5 days. So after that it's obviously going to be very difficult to get most of the measurements your are requesting. Seeing as how these spacer blocks are naturally biodegradable, what do you think your chances of finding someone with original wooden spacers are? I would think it's going to be next to impossible. I've never heard of anyone having original spacers or anybody who has ever even seen original spacers. Actually using the bottom of the MT-299 (mounting feet) and it hole locations and the geometry of the jeep wheel well itself may be your best bet. _________________ Dan
1951 M38
Take a close look at the photos I posted. That is an NOS block that was in Luis' hand May 2011. They are out there. Just like the hundreds of bumper reinforcements that have survived over 50 years. My goal is not to get a pair of blocks built. It is to get a copy of the original Signal Corp drawings SC-C-28600 and 601 to complete my collection which has all the M38/M38A1 radio installation support block drawings except those two. Until the elusive original drawings show up I want to produce my own reproduction drawing using the most accurate measurements I can find off an original block.
For the benefit of any member who only wishes to fabricate his own blocks I welcome your measurements and will put them up on the site for that purpose. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: Jul 18, 2008 Posts: 639 Location: Melrose, MA and Santa Fe, NM
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:44 am Post subject:
Wes, you may have tried this already but have you reached out to the US Army Signal Corps itself to see what they have in their archives? Also, the National Army National Guard Museum might be another potential source.
If you already have then.... A wooden block would easily survive 50+ years, depending on its environment.
I've already been to the Ft Gordon Signal Site. I'll try the NG museum. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Joined: May 05, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Del Rio, Texas
Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject:
OK...I have taken several measurements from the wooden spacer blocks I purchased from Rod several years ago. In general appearance they seem to be nearly identical to the pictures of NOS wooden spacer blocks posted by Wes. I hope this helps.
There are two files within in my Google Docs folder...the link is below.
Joined: May 05, 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Del Rio, Texas
Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:04 am Post subject:
Thanks Wes...I should have put them there myself all along. I don't know what I was thinking.
A note regarding the measurements...you will notice that a few of the measurements have rather small fractional amounts (ie. 1/8 or 1/16, 7/8, 7/16). I'm inclined to believe that these represent small measurement errors during the manufacturing of these specific blocks. I attempted to be very acurate in describing exactly how my specific blocks were constructed. Most of the other measurements are in incriments of a whole inch or 1/4, 1/2, or 3/4 of an inch. It just doesn't make sense that such precise measurements would be required for this particular part. I have not actually tried to attach these blocks to my MT-299 yet...I'll let you know how they fit and if those apparent small discrepancies make any difference. _________________ Dan
1951 M38
Joined: Mar 13, 2006 Posts: 1079 Location: Richburg, SC
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:30 pm Post subject:
Alright - I'm making a little progress now. I bought a deuce and a half, so I have 2 projects going on at the same time. I got my red oak blocks cut and I laid the measurements off according to the drawings above. I saw where the measurements should be adjusted to my mount legs, but I wanted to double check a couple of things before I started drilling.
First, according to the measurements, the blocks are 14" long. The mount is only about 12". Do I cut the blocks to the length of the mount? The pictures that I have found don't show any wood sticking out past the mount, so I'm guessing this is what I need to do.
Second, the holes in the drawing are nowhere close to my mount holes. Mine are less than an inch apart.
So, do I use all 4 of them or only the 2 closest to the middle?
The other measurements and wheelwell channels are close enough to use as is.
Joined: Feb 17, 2012 Posts: 530 Location: Del City, OK
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:35 am Post subject:
If I remember correctly the blocks go all the way to the side of the jeep inside and this is the extra 2" between the blocks and the mount... the mount lines up with the front of the blocks into the jeep...
The mount will hang over the fender into the passenger compartment about 2-4 inches... I do not have my M-38 handy, till the weekend. Will look at it then...
Hope this helps... _________________ Hal, KB1ZQ
TSGT, USAF (Ret)
1952 M-38 CDN CAR 52-31313
1952 M-100 Strick #104
1951 Willys Wagon (For Sale)
1954 Willys M38A1 201001205
Tornado Alley
Del City, OK
I know this reply is a bit late but I'll put it here to make sure it offers accurate help if someone tries to use it,
Quote:
I got my red oak blocks cut and I laid the measurements off according to the drawings above. I saw where the measurements should be adjusted to my mount legs, but I wanted to double check a couple of things before I started drilling.
First, according to the measurements, the blocks are 14" long. The mount is only about 12". Do I cut the blocks to the length of the mount? The pictures that I have found don't show any wood sticking out past the mount, so I'm guessing this is what I need to do.
Second, the holes in the drawing are nowhere close to my mount holes. Mine are less than an inch apart.
The 2" extra projects from the back of the mount to the side wall of the jeep.
You will have to mate the wood spacers to the metal legs of your mount which may differ from the expected 299 mount leg. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
I made a drawing that was excellent, I can send you by e-mail, and you can make it available for the entire forum if you want.
If this is going to help, I would be happy to provide it.
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