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ECVJeeps Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: Found Them! |
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Three out of four and two out of six, at least it is a start.
I will make some drawings for these and fabricate the ones missing.
Pat _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281 |
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M38CDNBill Member
Joined: Feb 21, 2007 Posts: 133 Location: Trois-Rivieres, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Hello Pat,
WOW, very nice and revealing pictures.
Cheers _________________ Guy aka M38CDNBill
1945 Willys MB
1945 Chevrolet G7107 (in progress) |
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wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16258 Location: Wisconsin
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ECVJeeps Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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They are being painted at the moment, as posted above, drawings will be done when I get to work. My computer at work has my drawing software.
Cheers
Pat. _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281 |
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Ryan_Miller Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 03, 2005 Posts: 1634 Location: Kansas
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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Just to clarify for some members: These are teh CDN brackets?
Thanks! _________________ Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010 |
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BCA Member
Joined: Jul 02, 2011 Posts: 134 Location: Milton, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:08 am Post subject: |
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I have extras of the frame loops. $20 each good used. Sorry none of the ones that mount to the spring plates but it is very interesting to the the photos of them that have been posted - especially how they are stamped with identification markings. PM me for details. .... Brian |
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ECVJeeps Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: |
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The first drawing.
Pat _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281 |
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ECVJeeps Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:55 am Post subject: |
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The spring plate tie down.
Pat _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281 |
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Xamon Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2012 Posts: 589 Location: South East Saskatchewan
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ECVJeeps Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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From what I can tell by the marks left on the rail tie downs after 60+ years of being on a jeep.
There are wear marks from the springs being in contact with the tie down plates that would indicate that they were placed between the original spring plates and these plates.
If you zoom in and study the above picture, you will notice the D/S rail tie down plate appears to be above the spring plate.
The arrows stamped on the rail tie down plates do not indicate a forward direction due to the fact of the hole position on the P/S front rail tie down plate.
The above picture and the rear facing "D" ring indicates that the front rail tie down plates were rear facing (arrows facing the rear of the jeep).
I do not have a clear picture of the rear plates but would guess that they "D" rings are forward facing? At least that is the direction that I will be placing them on my wife's jeep.
As noted by Ryan, these were for the M38CDN jeep.
Cheers
Pat _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281 |
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Xamon Member
Joined: Sep 18, 2012 Posts: 589 Location: South East Saskatchewan
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ECVJeeps Member
Joined: Jun 21, 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I expect they will rattle like heck, or at least make some noise. I think I will cut a small section of rubber and wedge it in between the "D" ring and the bracket to reduce the rattle.
These will be another part that makes the M38CDN a bit more Canadian. _________________ 1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281 |
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Hawkshadow Member
Joined: Oct 10, 2012 Posts: 310 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Is this a 100% thing that was on all of the Canadians? I have seen a couple of them beside my own and have yet to come across one with these tie-downs. _________________ Jordan
M38 CDN
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pickle Member
Joined: Mar 19, 2010 Posts: 149 Location: Brandon, Manitoba Canada
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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Pat is right. I found this article that talks about the tie down rings (read last one)...
1: All Canadian M38's were assembled by Ford Motor Company of Canada in Windsor, Ontario, from February to November 1952.
2: The average cost per M38 was $2600 (the first contract of 840 vehicles cost $2807 per vehicle).
3: All vehicles were shipped from Windsor to Hagersville, Ontario to be inspected and put into military service.
4: The last vehicle produced by Ford was serial number F102135 and it was delivered on 27 November 1952 (as researched at Ford by Peter Simundson).
5 :Winches were installed and delivered on a separate purchase order program by Ramsey Winch Co.
6: All M38's were equipped with a convoy lamp installed as a field modification that was done upon receipt by RCEME [Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers].
7: Vehicles shipped by rail transport had eight tie downs installed on the frame. Vehicles shipped overseas to Norway or Cyprus had eight tie downs on the frame and also has hold down rings installed to the four spring shackle plates.
This is a time I really wish we had someone who was an expert on Canadian military jeeps in the forum. There are so many questions that are asked toward restoring a M38 CDN the proper way. It is great that everyone helps out where they can in here. The American folks here don't know how lucky they are to have guys like Wes and all here helping out, and I know I am very thankful for them on our side. It just seems when you are looking for someone who knows Canadian information, I don't understand why it has to be so hard on this side of the border.
BTW. good work Pat. |
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wesk Site Administrator
Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 16258 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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OK, Now here's a question for ya?
Quote: | 7: Vehicles shipped by rail transport had eight tie downs installed on the frame. Vehicles shipped overseas to Norway or Cyprus had eight tie downs on the frame and also has hold down rings installed to the four spring shackle plates.
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So far Pat has accounted for 4 frame tie downs and 4 spring tie downs. So do the 4 original US style tie down fittings make up the other 4 on the frame?
There are several Canadian members on this board that are very knowledgeable of the CDN issues. Some were Canadian Armed forces members and a couple were Canadian armed forces vehicle mechanics.
We have 3653 members and of that total 2848 do not list where they are from. We have only 805 members that are proud of where they live and are willing to show their friends and fellow hobbyists where they can be found if they need help. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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