Found Them!

ECVJeeps · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: Found Them!

Three out of four and two out of six, at least it is a start.

I will make some drawings for these and fabricate the ones missing.

Pat
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1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281

M38CDNBill · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject:

Hello Pat,

WOW, very nice and revealing pictures.

Cheers
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1945 Willys MB
1945 Chevrolet G7107 (in progress)

wesk · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject:

Pat can you post a photo of the bottom sides? Maybe even a drawing!!! Wink

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45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

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ECVJeeps · Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject:

They are being painted at the moment, as posted above, drawings will be done when I get to work. My computer at work has my drawing software.

Cheers
Pat.
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1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281

Ryan_Miller · Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:17 pm Post subject:

Just to clarify for some members: These are teh CDN brackets?

Thanks! BigDumb

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MVPA # 22010

BCA · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:08 am Post subject:

I have extras of the frame loops. $20 each good used. Sorry none of the ones that mount to the spring plates but it is very interesting to the the photos of them that have been posted - especially how they are stamped with identification markings. PM me for details. .... Brian

ECVJeeps · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:18 am Post subject:

The first drawing.

Pat
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1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281

ECVJeeps · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:55 am Post subject:

The spring plate tie down.

Pat
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1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281

Xamon · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:30 am Post subject:

Very nice. Question though, where do the large plates go?
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ECVJeeps · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:06 pm Post subject:

From what I can tell by the marks left on the rail tie downs after 60+ years of being on a jeep.
There are wear marks from the springs being in contact with the tie down plates that would indicate that they were placed between the original spring plates and these plates.

If you zoom in and study the above picture, you will notice the D/S rail tie down plate appears to be above the spring plate.
The arrows stamped on the rail tie down plates do not indicate a forward direction due to the fact of the hole position on the P/S front rail tie down plate.
The above picture and the rear facing "D" ring indicates that the front rail tie down plates were rear facing (arrows facing the rear of the jeep).
I do not have a clear picture of the rear plates but would guess that they "D" rings are forward facing? At least that is the direction that I will be placing them on my wife's jeep.

As noted by Ryan, these were for the M38CDN jeep.

Cheers
Pat
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1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281

Xamon · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:51 pm Post subject:

Thanks that answers it very well. Not sure if I should fab a set up, as far as I can see mine never went anywhere, doesn't even have the small side ones.
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ECVJeeps · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:00 pm Post subject:

I expect they will rattle like heck, or at least make some noise. I think I will cut a small section of rubber and wedge it in between the "D" ring and the bracket to reduce the rattle.
These will be another part that makes the M38CDN a bit more Canadian.
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1952 M38CDN (in progress)
1942 GPW 51859(in waiting)
M100 CDN #0548(in progress)
M100 CDN #0281

Hawkshadow · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject:

Is this a 100% thing that was on all of the Canadians? I have seen a couple of them beside my own and have yet to come across one with these tie-downs.
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M38 CDN
52-30718

pickle · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:42 pm Post subject:

Pat is right. I found this article that talks about the tie down rings (read last one)...

1: All Canadian M38's were assembled by Ford Motor Company of Canada in Windsor, Ontario, from February to November 1952.
2: The average cost per M38 was $2600 (the first contract of 840 vehicles cost $2807 per vehicle).
3: All vehicles were shipped from Windsor to Hagersville, Ontario to be inspected and put into military service.
4: The last vehicle produced by Ford was serial number F102135 and it was delivered on 27 November 1952 (as researched at Ford by Peter Simundson).
5 :Winches were installed and delivered on a separate purchase order program by Ramsey Winch Co.
6: All M38's were equipped with a convoy lamp installed as a field modification that was done upon receipt by RCEME [Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers].
7: Vehicles shipped by rail transport had eight tie downs installed on the frame. Vehicles shipped overseas to Norway or Cyprus had eight tie downs on the frame and also has hold down rings installed to the four spring shackle plates.

This is a time I really wish we had someone who was an expert on Canadian military jeeps in the forum. There are so many questions that are asked toward restoring a M38 CDN the proper way. It is great that everyone helps out where they can in here. The American folks here don't know how lucky they are to have guys like Wes and all here helping out, and I know I am very thankful for them on our side. It just seems when you are looking for someone who knows Canadian information, I don't understand why it has to be so hard on this side of the border.

BTW. good work Pat.

wesk · Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:52 pm Post subject:

OK, Now here's a question for ya?


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