Torque - Transmission to bell housing

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Hunting around for the correct torque for mounting the transmission to bell-housing (4 bolts).

1955 M170.

Thanks,
Brian
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:59 pm Post subject:

Torques not listed in the manuals for any specific applications are then selected from the standard torque chart using that type fastener and thread pitch / size.

I have the answers to this question loaded in my photo album.

This is the handiest list from the Willys/Kaiser SM1004 civvy CJ service manual.

There are dozens of Gade 5 through grade 8 automotive torque charts scattered all over the web. I have a couple loaded on my photo album.
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=9

Go there and review the standard industry toque data and formulas before selecting the torque you should use. If you are unsure of the bolt diameter, material and/or thread pitch the information is usually in the ORD 9 parts manual for your jeep.

Here's an example:

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45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

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bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

thanks - i printed these. I will use standard torque for grade 5
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:36 am Post subject:

Two of those bolts are suppose to be shouldered dowel bolts to center the bell.
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45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

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bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

What side should the dowell bolt head be on? The bell or the engine block?
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 9:53 pm Post subject:

All the 3/8" bolts accept the top two are installed from the front towards the rear. The bottom left has one bolt hole that is reserved for the stay cable and it's nut goes on the forward side of the bell adapter plate.

3/8" bolts are:

7371700 - 3/8-24NF-2x2 1/2" shouldered dowel bolts 2 ea.
123534 - 3/8-24NF-3x2 1/8" 3 ea Early bell, 4 ea late bell
123825 - 3/8-24NF-3x2 5/8" 2 ea

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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Thanks for info
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

Hello :

Question about throwout bearing fork lubricant and input shaft lubricant.

Is anti-seize lubricant ok to use?
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

hey wes; i believe the photo you posted is m38, not m38a1/m170. aren't dowels on the side not the top.
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:31 pm Post subject:

Which two holes do your dowel bolts fit in? They should only fit the two top or the two side ones that go into the block. The bottom illustration is late M38 and All M38A1/M170. I just stuck my dowel bolts in the two holes that they would fit in.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

They fit the sides. Seems to be fine.
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject:

I'll have to correct the photo. I always used black moly grease real thin on both. The pilot bushing should be an oilite bushing and pre-soaked in 30 weight engine oil.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

wesk · Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:35 pm Post subject:

Photo is corrected
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

bl5211a · Member Joined: Dec 28, 2006 Posts: 344 Location: NC

I guess molly would be best for clutch fork pivot..?
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Brian
1955 M170
1940 BSA M20

wesk · Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:22 am Post subject:

When I said moly on both the both were the input shaft where it passes thru the clutch disc splines and the pivot fork.
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Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100

Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php


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