Synthetic Enamel Reducer

[ocwd]

I just purchased my paint from AJP and I am looking for synthetic enamel reducer. I went to NAPA as recommended on the AJP website but the guys at NAPA looked at me with a blank stare. Does anyone have a can of this reducer with the part number on it? I also called a couple of automotive paint suppliers with the same result. I will continue to search on line and call paint suppliers but if anyone has the NAPA part number for this reducer, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Dave

[OKCM38CDN]

You can go to the hardware store and buy a gallon of Xylene... That is what I use for Gillespie paints... Mix 2:1 paint to thinner and good to go...

Hope this helps...

[ocwd]

Thanks. I'll check it out.

[BobW]

I found that Xylene evaporated too quickly. I have better luck with NAPA Synthol 8004 Medium evaporating reducer.
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Bob W. Monticello, NY. 1952 CJ3A, 1952 M38, 1950 CJV-35/U

[OKCM38CDN]

It works fine for me here in OK, then again at temp of 100 works great...

Then again I am not generally doing large jobs... a fender, tire rims etc...

[Sadler5]

I use VASPRO Hardner with an acetone thinner. The hardner is purchased at TSC (Tractor Supply).

[Ryan_Miller]

A medium evaporating enamel reducer is probably what you need.

The high evaporating is for colder weather and the slow is for warmer weather.

I think they probably misinterpreted the term "synthetic" when AJP put that on the directions.

KISS: Keep It Simple Stupid

That's my motto
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Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010

[DJ]

Dupont 3812s or OMNI MR186. The Dupont was fast drying, The Omni was medium. The Omni came from my Napa store ,Dupont from Car Quest.

[ocwd]

That's all great information guys. I want to keep it as simple as possible as this is my first paint job. I'll check out the NAPA Synthol 8004. I've read posts from people that say using hardener brings out more gloss. I'd like to just mix in one reducer as opposed to two agents.

Bob, did you mix in the reducer at a 2:1 ratio? Also, did you use any metalprep on bare metal such as the frame? I am wondering if the Gellispie paint is compatible with metalprep.

Thanks,

Dave

[Ryan_Miller]

use metal prep before priming. It is a phosphoric acid based product that will help stop and remove rust.

Yes, hardener can bring out more gloss, but you should not need a lot of hardener.
If you don't use the hardener, it can take over a month to cure so that the paint will be soft for a long time.
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Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010

[ocwd]

Thanks for the tips guys. I think this is all a matter of understanding how these hardeners and thinners react with the paint. Having no experience, i'll have to learn by trial and error. I may go the Xylene route if I can find a local supply. I'll check Ace hardware. I'd hate to use a product that I cannot get locally. I'll probably be painting my frame sometime this summer so it may be hot in the garage. I am wondering if the xylene may not do so well in the heat. The medium reducer sounds like a better way to go. Also, the acetone thinner sounds like something that I can pick up at the local hardware store but I want to make sure it is compatible with the Gellispie paint. I will for sure be using metal prep on the frame prior to applying a primer coat.

There are no Tractor supply stores anywhere near me plus the closest supply of NAPA synthol 8004 is in Phoenix (I am in SoCal).

[ocwd]

I did some searching and xylene seems to be the convention in the G503 circle. I bought one gallon of xylene and will be using a small amount of hardener also. I'll give it a shot and if I don't like the results, i'll regroup and try again. The questions I asked are very common and I found lots of good information using the search function.

Thanks,

Dave

[TomM]

Dave,
I suspect California has laws that are limiting the availability of Synthetic Enamel Reducer. Like a lot of guys, I purchased it from NAPA for a Gillespe spray job. My local NAPA doesn't stock it but they got it and I didnt have to pay a hazmat shipping charge. The hardner brought up a slight sheen and is by no means glossy. It looks good, is a little more durable and I doubt you wil be dissappointed.
As mentioned, xylene evaporates quickly. The down side of this is that when you spray it may not allow overspray to settle and blend nicely. A finish might get "sandy". Enamel reducer with the right temp range gives you flexibility in different temps.
You are doing the right thing with a test patch. Get the feel of how much to put on without running and see how fast it flashes off. These paints are very forgiving and you will be able to come up with a first class job with very little practice.
I'm fooling with some acrylic enamel now and will shoot my M38 within the month. Lucky my NAPA shop still stocks acrylic enamel reducer too. Both acrylic and synthetic enamels are getting harder to find.

Tom

[ocwd]

Thanks Tom. Now, I am looking for the hardener. Most paint places are not willing to go out on a limb and tell me if thier brand of hardener is compatible with Gellispie. I'll find something around here eventually. I'd rather live with a little extra gloss or sheen and have a more durable paint job.

[TomM]

I never did find a "Gillespe" hardner and you reminded me how rare it is to find synthetic enamel hardner off the shelf. Manufacturers are a bit leery of cross breeding their products but the synthetic enamels seem pretty forgiving.
I ended up purchasing hardner from Rapco. If you are still stuck, PM me because I think they also had given me an alternate supplier. I will be able to check records at the end of the week.
Tom