Bumperette and shackle

Cacti_Ken · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:53 am Post subject: Bumperette and shackle

Where does the rectangle plate fit? Between the bumper and bumperette, or between the bumperette and shackle?

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wesk · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject:

I believe it goes behind the rear crossmember under the nuts for the shackle as a doubler.
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Ryan_Miller · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject:

That is what I thought too.
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Jim · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject:

My questions are where the rear shackle
mounts go inside the bumperett; near the
fender side or near the lunette hitch side?
And are the rear shackles the same types
as the front ones?

Jim in Darkest Arkansas

Cacti_Ken · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject:

Ok, I'm going to put it behind or (inside if you are looking at it from the rear) of the cross member then lock washer and nut.

thankyou

Ken
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wesk · Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject:

Outboard!

Here's a photo of the left rear shackle (driver's side).

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davem201m38 · Member Joined: Jan 22, 2006 Posts: 429 Location: UK

I've pondered this before. For roping / chaining and slinging outside makes sense. However.... an awful lot (all ex. Greek ones and some ex European) seem to have had them put on the inside during repairs/rebuilds, I'm fairly sure mine left US MIL rebuild in 56 with them on the inside, I don't know why.
My only guess (I'm an ex-haulage guy from years gone by and spent a long time in drilling) would be that with them on the inside they got a straighter pull down to some kind of tether point, possibly on a transport platform that post dated their production. Or may-be the angle was better to get a resultant pull down???? ie it leaned the chain over further to get a horizontal as well as down pull. However, so consistant is this in-correct fitting (I don't prescribe to the view that all military mechanics are idiots) that those guys must have had reason to do this.

To my way of thinking from a stability point of view outside is the only place for them BUT for some reason some had them mounted inside which to a rational mind is so 'odd' that they must have had a reason for it. Why???
All the best,
Dave.

Jeeps4Brains · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:21 pm Post subject:

For what it’s worth when I took mine off, the flat plate was between the bumperette and the shackle. Mine had not been taken apart for years. You could see the marks that the flat plate had left. Then again someone could have changed where it went over the years.

Alan

Jim · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject:

Perhaps the shackles were on the hitch side
for the trailer safety chains?

Jim in Darkest Arkansas

wesk · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:22 am Post subject:

Every spot in the TM's where the shackles show up they are on the outboard side and none of the 8 or photos show the doubler plate.

As for tie downs closer to the centerline the pintle hook was used for those. If you got a jeep with the shackles on the inboard side then I'd say at some point Gomer Pyle got to it. Laughing

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Cacti_Ken · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject:

I vaguely recall the plate being on the outside of the crossmember area when I removed it also. But am not sure if it was between the shackle and bumperette or between the crossmember and bumperette. Which is the reason I asked the question as I did on the first post.

With the heavy metal of the crossmember and the bumperette, I don't see how it would strengthen anything.
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wesk · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject:

It would help prevent the pulling through of the two shackle bolts during lifting if placed under the shackle bolt nuts. Any other location just does not serve any known purpose.
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Cacti_Ken · Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:30 pm Post subject:

Ok, that sounds logical.
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wesk · Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:43 am Post subject:

I have aslo found them on the outside. Since the military would not allow a jeep to run around very long with a bent bumper or bumperette I would suspect that lacking a definitive illustration of the plate's position led to a lot of young motor pool troops just placing it anywhere when installing a new or straightened bumperette.
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