Need some ID Help.

army_inc · Post by **army_inc** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:18 am

Ok, this may seem like a stupid question to some of you, but I have absolutely no idea what this is! This is my first jeep and I'm stumped on what this is. Any ideas? Two pictures. Two items that I don't know what they are. http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... _photo.php

It has a 12 V tab on it, but I can't really read anything else. This next one, I have two of. The second is as complete as the one pictured. I have no idea what it is, and if it is a 12V or 24V part. I don't even know if it requires a certain amount of voltage.
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... _photo.php
Thanks for your help guys as it is greatly appreciated.

hill · Post by **hill** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:30 am

The first is a generator and the other is a starter both look to be 12 volt for the early four cylinder engine. The starter looks as though it uses a solenoid to work unlike the military ones with foot control switch and the generator would need a regulator to operate.

army_inc · Post by **army_inc** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:32 am

Crap... Oh well. Maybe it's looking to be a 12V 38A1 then... I now have a 12V distributor, starter, and generator. I already have the engine. I'm assuming that's a lot of money right there I can save as I only have a 24V starter... Man. Decisions decisions...

Post by **wesk** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:15 am

If you read my answer to your other post then I will say this: Don't waste your time on that old Delco 12 volt generator. It was probably jury rigged into the military generator mount and by the time you have it bench checked and buy the regulator for it you could have bought a nice 60 amp Delco one wire (internal regulator) alternator. Sell the generator to someone wanting to restore a 1957 or newer CJ5/6, CJ3B or DJ3A OR WAGON/TRUCK. If you decide to go 24 volt same with the starter. What model starter is the open face starter at the right of the starter picture? If no tag on it how many teethe are on the drive pinion gear?

army_inc · Post by **army_inc** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 am

Just read your other post Wes. Good to know that I can get a decent alternator for a decent price. I haven't priced them yet. I may have just the person to sell some of this 12V stuff to. Thanks again!

army_inc · Post by **army_inc** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:33 am

wesk wrote:What model starter is the open face starter at the right of the starter picture? If no tag on it how many teethe are on the drive pinion gear?

There are 10 teeth on the drive pinion gear. Other than that, no tag.

Post by **wesk** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:50 am

10 teeth make it a WWII or CJ2A starter. MZ4113 (6V) or the more rare MZ4124 (12V)

army_inc · Post by **army_inc** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:57 am

Well that's good to know. I have no use for it so I guess I'll sell that. Although, I have no clue how much this stuff is worth.

Post by **wesk** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:48 am

For the WWII stuff just visit the Ron F's store web site and check current new or overhauled exchange prices and used without warranty, proof of a current overhaul or certification is half of new.
http://www.g503.com/parts/

For the civvy stuff: http://www.kaiserwillys.com/category/wi ... ccessories

For example:

Factory Rebuilt Starter Motor 6 volt
Fits 41-49 MB, GPW, CJ-2A
Factory Rebuilt Starter Motor

Comes complete with bendix ready for install. Painted Black.

For Autolite MZ-4113 in 6 volt

Application:
4-134 L engine

Fits:
41-45 MB
41-45 GPW
46-49 CJ-2A

Note:
Customer core must be sent in prior. Call for details.
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Item # Price Qty
A1245 $215.00 ---
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So your MZ4113 would be valued as is about $107.50

If you ops checked it yourself you could jack that price to say $125.

If you had it properly bench checked where torque and current draw are accurately measured and have a receipt and notice of good health you could move the price up a bit more like $150.00

Or if you make no effort to warranty or provide evidence of working condition then whatever core value is is all you can expect to get. Core value is often in the 20 to 25% range.

army_inc · Post by **army_inc** » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:53 am

Oh wow. I had no idea it was worth that much! It came with a bunch of other parts from a parts jeep. I mean, I'm just ready to sell it to make my wife happy. I don't really want to deal with checking it or anything like that. I mean, it'd be nice, but I'd have to find a place that does it, take it there, etc.... To me it isn't worth it. Unless they can do it PDQ. I appreciate it Wes.