Windshield questions

aforests · Post by **aforests** » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:31 pm

Finally found an 'M38' windshield that I have started to tear apart, clean, and restore. I have a couple questions in regard to it. See pics.

Both of these tabs (on each end of inside of windshield are bent over) Looking closely at Ryan's book they appear to be straight. Do I need to straighten these?

In this pic it shows the lack of holes for the rifle holder and vacuum line clip holders. These holes show up in Ryan's book. Were there any M38 windshields missing them?

Post by **wesk** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 2:34 am

No the M38 windshields all had the holes for the rifle holder brackets. The top rodding bracket is suppose to be straight out from the windshield.

You either have a CJ3A windshield with an M38 vent cover or you have a M38 windshield with the rifle holder bracket holes filled in.

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:39 am

Hello Wes,
Do some repops maybe early versions lack some of the correct holes?

This one has the top door brackets, and thankfully for him, not a host of God-awful holes to fill from a civvy top installation.

Post by **wesk** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:54 pm

I would imagine very early repops (60's or so) may have been generic for the CJ3A. Doesn't make any differences now though. I would just add the m38 holes. Don't forget the third rifle carrier bracket. The end plate that bolts through the door strip.

aforests · Post by **aforests** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:51 pm

Are there dimensions for these two holes on the door strip?

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:20 pm

Hi Aaron,
Bretto and others have documented the rifle holder brackets
and they can be found under the search functions.

If you have the holder, drill and install the middle and right
brackets, then locate the left bracket holes vertically in the
windshield frame to match the hole in the holder.

That or wait and some gracious soul here will go measure
their frame for you.

Several vendors sell the brackets, or they can be easily made
from 1/8" material with the dimensions available here. I made the
center and right brackets today and it was a nice afternoon
project that didn't require a bunch of mind-numbing thought.

A nice change.

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:25 pm

Don't forget the holes for the vacuum line
clips in the arms.

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:55 pm

Ok.
From the bottom windshield opening, and the upper edge of the lower raised area that is flush with the front of the windshield, draw a line horizontally across to the right to the edge of the windshield frame.

From that line, the first hole is centered at 1-31/32"
I know, pretty anal, but by my ruler, 1-15/16" isn't far enough.

The second hole is 1-1/2" below the first, or 1-1/2" center to center.

Both 5/16" drilled through both the inner and outer portions of the frame.

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aforests · Post by **aforests** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:01 pm

Thanks for the info.

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:08 pm

Let me know if it isn't clear enough.

Also if you need the holes for the wiper line clips in the arms.

Take care,

Post by **wesk** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:18 pm

AAron, I would not recommend drilling those holes until you have the rifle holder bolted to the windshield. Their location will vary depending on the location of the other two mounting points and the condition of your rifle holder. One set of holes is always better looking.

aforests · Post by **aforests** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:28 pm

Yes, I agree, one set of holes is better then the alternative!

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:38 pm

Yup,
That's what I said up thread.

You'd be well served by getting your middle and right brackets mounted to the holder, drill the middle bracket holes, lay the windshield down and bolt the holder to those holes. Then use a Sharpie to mark the right two holes with the holder where you want it. Make sure all of the bracket feet are flush to the windshield. Match holes and drill.

Then as Wes said, slip that left bracket into place and bolt through the holder, then take your best shot marking the two end holes.

You have a little wiggle room if done right. The bolts are all 5/16" and the holes in the windshield are 3/8". The holes in the bracket for the holder bolts are 1/2" per the drawing, but nothing bigger than a 5/16" carriage bolt will fit the square holes in the holder. I drilled mine 3/8".

On a related note.
Not sure why the holes are 1/2" except I saw a mount on an MB or GPW on the G the other day and the bolt/fitting that mounted the holder to the bracket did not look like a standard bolt, and it had a wingnut on the bracket end. Maybe it had a smaller square but a 3/8" shaft.........

aforests · Post by **aforests** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:01 pm

I have another question that might seem obvious to most, but I still have to ask. There are two locations on the frame of this new windshield I bought that are 'bulging' outward. I honestly can't see what kind of damage would have caused this, so a small part of me wonders if this is normal. Please take a look and let me know if I need to 'flatten' these two areas out.

This bulge does not appear on the passenger side of the frame.

The opposite top side is flat.

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:48 pm

Looks like a dent in the rear part of the windshield. Right above that upper left X. Maybe if got mashed at some time. Should be just like the other side.