Driving slow, real slow.....

cabinfever · Post by **cabinfever** » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:20 pm

Gottcha! Thanks, Bretto

skyjeep50 · Post by **skyjeep50** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:16 am

You can buy relatively inexpensive lock out hubs - I picked up ones for my jeeps on ebay for less than $40. Weren't garish chrome jobs. They are not heavy duty types for serious off-roading but they work. Painted them OD and they don't look too out of place. Or about as original as Clary flanges would. The advantage of lock out hubs is that you can easily put them into 4WD mode and "exercise" the front axle periodically - move the turning parts, grease and oil around. Something my old CJ7's owner's manual recommended. Just a thought.

Post by **wesk** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:39 am

No way a locking hub looks about as original as a Clary flange!!!

Stock Hub

Clary hub which uses the original hub cap.

Dualmatic hub

Cutlas Hub

Late 40's Warn Hub

Later 50's thru 80's Warn hub

RICKG · Post by **RICKG** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:50 am

Vintage Sears Allstate hub.

Post by **wesk** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:04 am

Even that Sears hub in OD still is missing the little stock hub cap.

The closest looking free wheel device to the stock setup is most certainly the Clary hub. The average jeep hobbyist eyes will usually pass right over it when viewing a show jeep. I can't think of any jeep hobbyist that would not notice any of the commercial free wheel selectable hubs instantly.

Do you recall who manufactured the Allstate hubs for Sears?

RICKG · Post by **RICKG** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:33 am

wesk wrote:Do you recall who manufactured the Allstate hubs for Sears?

No I don't Wes.

The one and only reason I use the locking hubs on my M38 is the
pure and simple utility. Engaged when you need it, disengaged when
you don't.

Post by **wesk** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:39 am

I fully understand the utility and that is why I use them. I was answering the which look more stock issue which is clearly only the Clary's.

I found my old notes. The Sears Allstate were usually Selectro.

bbloom · Post by **bbloom** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:08 am

It seems to me the optimum solution to Steve's issue about driving in parades would be to do a combination of both. If you don't plan on using 4wd remove the front drivshaft so when in 4wheel low you are not turning anything in the front axle from the transfercase, and use Clary flanges so you are not turning the front axle carrier assembly as the Jeep rolls down the road. You could accomplish the same thing the Clary flange will do by taking the stock hub flanges and having the splines machined out of them, could you not?

baios · Post by **baios** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:04 pm

are clarey flanges available to buy ? and how easy is if someone is somewhere and wants to put the 4wd ?

Post by **wesk** » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:50 pm

Yes they are easy to buy. Willys Acres in Canada has stock. Six bolts you uncsrew swap plates and rescrew the six bolts. Piece of cake.

The issues, the hubs and the answers have been around for the last 50 years I have been using jeeps.

1-Want full time two wheel drive then pull the 4WD stuff.

2-Want the flexibility to quickly loose or gain front wheel drive and get better 2WD fuel mileage. Buy locking hubs.

3-Low utilization and city driving for parades then use the Clary hubs. Note reaming the splines out of your stock hubs makes quick conversion back to stock impossible without new drive plates and creates a wear issue on the spline end of the driveshafts since the Clary hub has a bearing for the spline end of the shaft to ride in there is no wear with the Clary. no brainer, use the Clary.

baios · Post by **baios** » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:19 pm

so if i understand well the clarey flanges just isolates the front axle and u can use the low with the 2wd,am I correct?

Also The clarey flanges can not engage the 4wd if i want to do that,am i correct?

If i want to use periodic the front axle (when i m in mud or snow) and also have the oportunity to drive in low with 2wd THEN i must put lock hubs ?

skyjeep50 · Post by **skyjeep50** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:39 am

Clary flanges have no splines so the front axle has nothing to grab to drive the wheel. With Clary flanges you are in 2WD mode even if you shift the transfer into gear, either 4WD high or low range. But if you want to creep along in 4WD low range you can do that on hard surfaced roads. If you want the advantages of all wheels being driven again, carry along the original splined flanges and a socket wrench - unbolt the 6 bolts (x 2 for both sides), put on the drive flanges and away you go. Takes a little more time but I wouldn't want to do it if already bogged down in mud!!

Post by **wesk** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:37 pm

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:19 am Post subject:
so if i understand well the clarey flanges just isolates the front axle and u can use the low with the 2wd,am I correct? YES

Also The clarey flanges can not engage the 4wd if i want to do that,am i correct? Yes

If i want to use periodic the front axle (when i m in mud or snow) and also have the oportunity to drive in low with 2wd THEN i must put lock hubs ?
Yes

baios · Post by **baios** » Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:58 pm

ok thanks should look for lock hubs

baios · Post by **baios** » Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:28 pm

any ideas of what make of locking hubs must i put to my m38???I did a search on ebay and a lot of results so i m little confused about the corect ones