Tires, again

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Thu May 26, 2016 5:29 pm

Still struggling with whether to go with the NDCC's
or the STA Super Tractions for my M38. I've got to
do something soon as the Mastercraft jobbies are so
weather cracked they are no longer holding air and I
can't even road test in the pasture.

I'm not building a show class, but a reasonable facsimile
and a driver.

I'd like to ask specifically guys like Bretto that are driving
the NDCC's both pavement and off road their experience.

I know Wes suggests the STA's for a daily driver and not
a show class, particularly in wet weather on the highway.

Thanks!

Post by **wesk** » Thu May 26, 2016 9:00 pm

Having driven the NDT's, NDCC's and a dozen style bias ply mud and snows since 1962 I can assure you my condemnation of the NDT's and NDCC's on slick hard surfaces, such as wet blacktop, is very well founded. If the jeep is to be driven daily and on hard paved surfaces that often get rained on (Ice & hard pack snow are indescribable) then either plan on driving very slow in the fast moving traffic or leaving the jeep home.

RonD2 · Post by **RonD2** » Thu May 26, 2016 9:26 pm

I, for one, am thankful that Wes survived to be able to pass that on. I hope that I never get that close with my NDCC's.

Mine are for fair weather weekends at less than 45mph....and with all the cell phones and other crazy out there that'll be dangerous enough for me. I have a few hundred miles in the M151 with NDCC's on blacktop and survived.....
<Cr*p--- did I say this out loud?

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I want Wes to be around to see if I can talk him into a tech assist visit all expenses paid. Cheaper in the long run I figure. <Cr*p --- did I say that out loud too?

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Post by **wesk** » Thu May 26, 2016 9:37 pm

Hi Ron, I survived because when the jeep started telling me I was pushing the edge of the enveloped I backed off. Don't get me wrong. I drove the NDT's and NDCC's plenty off road in Louisiana and South Dakota where they performed very well mud, sand & snow. But on slippery blacktop I left the jeep home unless I had civvy mud & snows.

oilleaker1 · Post by **oilleaker1** » Fri May 27, 2016 6:33 am

I drive all 3 mentioned for tire types. Looks wise, the NDCC are correct. For all around conditions, I'd pick the Super Traxions M&S. Ride wise, the Super Traxions match the NDCC's. Yes The NDCC's are not good on anything slick. Noise wise, I think the super Traxions are the worst. The NDT's are last . You will like the Super Traxions. Only thing better for ride would be 215 85 R 16's in radials. I plan on those for my '49 pickup with the Kubota diesel in it. Pickups were rated 1 ton and believe me, they will punish you. Wallace Wade Tires is in your neck of the woods! John

RICKG · Post by **RICKG** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:21 am

I swapped my NDCC's for STA's and wont go back.

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:34 am

Thanks for all the replies.

I do not plan on driving in snow or ice. If we get that here
I stay home. No one south of the Red River (or I70 for that
matter) knows how to drive on it. I spent plenty of time in
Wyoming and found out a four wheel drive is good for getting
you out of places that a two wheel won't. But once you dig it
down to the frame you might as well go get a Cat.

The problem is one can leave home on a great day, get 20
miles from home and get creamed by a rain storm. A little
rain on a road that hasn't had any water on it can make it
nearly treacherous with good tires due to the oil and crap
coming up.

I am still a bit confused about the STA's. I can't find a 700
x 16. Do we use a 650 x 16? With tubes?

Also, I can't find a working website for Wallace Wade.
Any suggestions?

Thanks!

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:38 am

John,
I've looked at 215-85-16's but can only find offshore tires.

Anything specifically you've looked at and is the profile
similar to the STA's?

4x4M38 · Post by **4x4M38** » Fri May 27, 2016 7:48 am

Sorry I meant to say I couldn't find
radial M&S tires that weren't offshore that
were a C rating or thereabouts.

I think an E rating tire would eventually
loosen all the bolts on the jeep.

QCIM38A1 · Post by **QCIM38A1** » Sat May 28, 2016 4:00 pm

I used to think the NDT's and NDCC's were tops, which they were, when I lived in a logging camp and drove on gravel 365 days of the year. The first time I drove them on pavement, my opinion changed.

They were king of the gravel roads, though, never had a flat in several thousand miles. Also great in mud and loose snow, but deadly on ice and packed snow.