Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:49 pm Post subject: Say hello to MB 13141X
I know its an MB, but the name of this forum is Willys Military Jeeps. And the MB would be one of those.
Delivered 3/27/1942. She is one of the first with the pressed steel grill that replaced the "slat" grill. A rare Jeep as she is also a "script" jeep, that means it has the embossed WILLYS across the bottom left of the tubs rear panel.
Unfortunately the original engine is long gone, replaced by an F head. But the T-84 and the correct transfer are still underneath.
Very nice. You should also go over to G503.
I think the name of this forum is "M"Jeeps, which means, jeeps after they started using M, in the designation of wheeled vehicles, like they did for a long time on Weapons. It doesn't mean Military. It's Model. Before that we used the vehicle manufacturer's model name for them.
But I'm sure you are welcome here.
OK Guys let's keep an open mind and re-read our group's goals in our introduction:
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The 2nd & 3rd sentences pretty much cover this topic completely!
And, by the way, the M in MA was the Willys model designation for a military series jeep built by Willys and the A represented Willys first military jeep. The B in MB represented Willys 2nd military model jeep. Military vehicles up thru 1950 had the G numbering system IE all Willys MA's MB's, Ford GP's & GPW's and Bantam BRC's were G503 units. The M in M38 however was the Army's military designation for a vehicle designed to fill a military contract hence M series does refer to those M series Army vehicles built by Willys, Kaiser, AMC & AM General from 1950 on that for our group's purpose fell into the Jeep type 1/4 Ton military vehicle or Willys/Kaiser built military trucks. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Just to be clear on wheeled vehicle names; prior to 1950, Wheeled Vehicles procured by the Govt used the contractor's designations and model numbers.
Unlike Weapons, which have been using Ordnance assigned M "model' designations since the US was formed.
After WW2, we started assigning wheeled vehicles the same system of Model numbers as Weapons. Which is why we can have an M1 Rifle and an M1 Tank.
And an M37 Machine Gun and an M37 truck.
I think it is because for the first 150 years, we only used horses for transportation, those needing no Model number, so when the internal combustion engine came into wide use by the Army, it was not deemed necessary to give them the same respect that Weaons of all types had.
Hows that for a theory?
Yes, bought it out of a barn (actually a stable) last week. _________________ '52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car
It is amazingly complete and stock. Looks like very little serious rust as well. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
There is rust issues n the bottom of the fuel tank well. The bottom half of the tank its self is completely gone. The hat sections in place have lost their tops which I haven't seen before. Basically the floor over the hat has gone away but the wood and the bottoms are intact. _________________ '52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car
rare an odd grills seem to find their way to me. you may remember last year I came up with a very odd ball M38 grill. Well as I explore my new MB friend with the help of some knowledgeable folks over at the 503, seems this Jeep has a rare one of its own.
When Willys went from the slat grill to the pressed steel grill in March of 1942, the very first run of grills (no more that a couple weeks worth) were made without the notch at the top that clears the hood stiffeners. This is one of them.
Ive been making some progress on this Jeep over the months. The transmission and transfer case had filled with water over the years and revealed an orange/brown mess when opened. The cases, covers, levers etc were salvageable. I located a donor t-84 transmission, so between the two that is sorted out. Also found a complete early transfer case for a great price so that too is off the checklist.
Next is to remove the tub and power unit (old engine, trans, transfer). I have arranged a trade to get rid of the F head and in its place got an MB engine. Perfect.
While not positive i think I want to do this jeep up as a "Follow Me" radio jeep representation. I like the checkerboard paint scheme!
Over time I have collected some real oddities that you don't see everyday on MBs. Time to put them to good use. Amongst the kits are the dual wheel conversion for the rear axle (MZ type I believe), The 12V 55A and shield kit, uses the same generator/regulator as the 12V WC Dodges and relocates the batteries (two six volt) into a box between the seats. Coolant recovery surge tank kit for the from of the grill and lastly 2 12V electric windshield defrosters. Should make for a different Jeep. _________________ '52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car
We welcome all Willy's Jeep owners even though we are mostly focused on the M series stuff.
I for one also have a 1959 CJ3B project that will probably start this winter since my twin sons are about the age they can start doing some work with me.
Looks like you are off to a good start, finding a good project vehicle is the basis for a more enjoyable restoration.
A lesson that I have yet to learn! _________________ Ryan Miller
MVPA # 22010
I may have to look them up for some gauge restorations for the Command Car project.
MB gauges can be found but sometimes they come with sticker shock. I understand the going rate for the "gas" gauge is around 500 dollars _________________ '52 Dodge M37, '42 GPW, '48 FrankenJeep CJ2A/M38, '50 CJV-35(U), '51 M38, '42 WC-57 Command Car, '44 WC-51 Weapons , (2) M1941 Sperry 60" Anti-Aircraft Searchlights, John Deere M-gator, '44 White M3A1 Scout Car
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