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wesk Site Administrator
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G740 Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:09 am Post subject: Knobs |
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Fording and throttle T handles were metal. Choke was plastic.
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Hawkshadow Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:54 am Post subject: |
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On that topic, can the old handles be transferred to new cable or are they sealed together? _________________ Jordan
M38 CDN
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skyjeep50 Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:07 am Post subject: |
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On my 51 M38 throttle and fording were metal T handles, choke was plastic knob. _________________ 1951 M38 |
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ChuckW Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | As I read it, the M38 came with round throttle knobs |
Where did you read that? _________________ Chuck W.
Dixie Division MVC #002
1952 M38/M100
M274A2
1964 CJ3B |
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ChuckW Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting, had never seen or heard that before.
Quote: | However, Photo albums - Historic Photos - photo 131 shows unit 2389045 new ready to ship with a round knob. |
When I enlarge that photo, looks like a T-handle to me. _________________ Chuck W.
Dixie Division MVC #002
1952 M38/M100
M274A2
1964 CJ3B |
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ChuckW Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Photo in TM9-8012 Pg 276 showing dash with a round knob.
Wes' photo albums - M38 Survey Form Guide - Photo #1 showing round knob. |
No doubt about those two, they look to be round. _________________ Chuck W.
Dixie Division MVC #002
1952 M38/M100
M274A2
1964 CJ3B |
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wesk Site Administrator
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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There are many sources showing two round knobs:
Here in the late M38 service manual TM 9-8012
Here in the early service manual TM 9-804 SEP 1950
Here in both the 51 & 55 ORD 9 G-740
Here in the 55 ORD 9 SNL G-740 but these numbers remain the same in the 51 ORD 9, the 53 ORD 7 SNL G-740, & the 56 ORD 8 SNL G-740
The "T" handled throttle control does not appear until the M38A1 ORD 9 SNL G-758 but part numbers for both are entirely different from the M38. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php |
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wesk Site Administrator
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:24 am Post subject: |
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The M38A1 throttle "T" handle is longer so it would probably work as a sub but the Army supply system doesn't sub it to the M38.
However , if you search deep enough the original 7375115 ORD# & 2540-737-5115 FSN evolves to this change in 1963:
Quote: | http://www.nsn-now.com/Indexing/ViewDetail.aspx?QString=2990007375115
National Stock Number:
2990-00-737-5115
Federal Supply Class:
2990
National Item Identification Number:
007375115
Description:
CONTROL ASSEMBLY,PUSH-PULL
Detail:
A control consisting of a wire, wire rope, or a center load rail with ball bearings, within a flexible conduit. One end must have a threaded sleeve for mounting to a wall, bulkhead, or handle, or clevis. It is used to operate or control, either manually or mechanically a mechanical device. It may include such attaching devices as nut(s), washer(s), clevis, bracket(s), and/or the like. For items designed to transmit rotary motion, see SHAFT ASSEMBLY, FLEXIBLE.
Manufacturer Information:
7375115 19207
U S ARMY TANK AUTOMOTIVE COMMAND AMSTA-IM-MM
801683 34623
AM GENERAL, LLC
X7580 72055
CAMDEC CORP
3A1142-1 77910
SPEAREFLEX CORP
Techincal Specification:
EFFECTIVE LENGTH: 23.000 INCHES NOMINAL
CORE DIAMETER: 0.062 INCHES NOMINAL
CORE MATERIAL: STEEL
CORE CONSTRUCTION: SINGLE WIRE
FEATURES PROVIDED: T-HANDLE AND ADAPTER AND FIXED MOUNTING SHOULDER
FLEXIBLE CONDUIT MATERIAL: STEEL
FLEXIBLE CONDUIT OUTSIDE DIAMETER: 0.188 INCHES NOMINAL
TRAVEL DISTANCE: 3.250 INCHES NOMINAL
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Note the 2540 FSC was changed in 1963 to 2990.
Is it possible Keith has a factory drawing that might mirror this evolution? _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
Mjeeps photo album: http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?set_albumName=Wes-Knettle&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php |
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WillysMotors Contributor
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:38 am Post subject: |
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I just returned from the Toledo area after another research trip, si I may be able to dig out info on the cable soon.. |
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