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radtech Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:16 am Post subject: early m38 front lifting shackles |
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Anyone know the serial number cut off when they changed the front lifting shacles on the M38. |
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4x4M38 Member
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wesk Site Administrator
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:05 am Post subject: |
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The change is in the 1951 ORD 9. It was printed in Nov 51 but the cover states it was current as of Aug 51. So the assumption is the change occurred between Sep 1950 and Aug 1951.
Ryan, in his M38 Book simply notes the early rear shackles on the front arrangement appears to have been discontinued around May 1951.
The real proof would be in the blue print change for the frame or in the Factory BOM's.
Early
Late _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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kenperkins Member
Joined: Apr 14, 2005 Posts: 285 Location: Livermore Ca.
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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MC 21171 (5-'51 ) has late lifting hooks. The frame is prepped for the early bracket but, no weldolet in the rear hole.
MC 22936 (6-'51 ) has late lifting hooks and framed is not prepped for early bracket.
maybe that helps narrow it down a little. _________________ '51 M38 #22936,
'51 M100 Dunbar
#01164782
'53 M100 Dunbar
M416b1
2- M762
MVPA #11788
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wesk Site Administrator
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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It helps but like all other attempts at dating using existing test subjects we have absolutely no way to guarantee the subject is truly untouched or unmodified by human hands. With depots rebuilding these jeeps in the 50's & 60's completely disassembling them and then re-mating various jeep parts at the end of the line there really is no guarantee on the accuracy of our dating attempts. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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kenperkins Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Wes,...while ya got the ORD9 open to this page...what is WO 647415...top of page
SPACER , bolt snow plow ??? _________________ '51 M38 #22936,
'51 M100 Dunbar
#01164782
'53 M100 Dunbar
M416b1
2- M762
MVPA #11788
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radtech Member
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a reason why there are 4 rear lifting hooks listed and only 2 front?My original 1950 M38 10675 has the same in the front as in the rear. |
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wesk Site Administrator
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Is that a CJ2A or 3A part number,
then co-opted for the winch mount
for the M38? |
Yes, it originated in the old CJ2A parts manual.
Quote: | Is there a reason why there are 4 rear lifting hooks listed and only 2 front?My original 1950 M38 10675 has the same in the front as in the rear.
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Yes, you came in late on this discussion, early M38's thru about spring/summer 1951 used 4 each rear style shackles on both front & rear. Later M38's used a totally different front shackle. I cannot offer an explanation for why the parts manual author failed to separate the two with serial cutoffs but that is a common problem with most of the manuals for these jeeps. _________________ Wes K
45 MB, 51 M38, 54 M37, 66 M101A1, 60 CJ5, 76 DJ5D, 47Bantam T3-C & 5? M100
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shopteach Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:00 am Post subject: |
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My M38 was built in 8-51. Can I assume I should have the late style? |
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shopteach Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Wes, mine has the late brackets. Thank you for the photo, I will look for the late lifting rings |
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