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I don't always display a weapon, but when I do it's a wore out
Carbine Cal 30 M-1. Shot out barrel and cracked receiver.
Doesn't deserve space in the safe. Removed the bolt for insurance.
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Secured with a cable lock.
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Pretty conservative here in rural southern Idaho,
Every PU has a rack in the back window.
I wouldn't be as comfortable, tho, in a metro area.
And of course common sense is key when weapons are involved,
active or inactive.
keep 'em rollin'
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When doing a parade, I carry an M-1 Garand in the rifle holder, I carry no ammo and strap the rifle into the rack with super tie wraps to keep it from walking.... I make my riders aware the weapon is there and to watch it... they do, it is the price of the trip...

I do not carry it to shows normally... however I did to the Tinker AFB USAF 60th/Oklahoma 100th open house back in 2007. I drove thru the gate on Sunday morning, showed my Military Retired ID, went into the FamCamp (Camping area for retirees) to pick up a couple of passengers... Up pulls a Security Police Car, Out steps a Staff sergeant and A sergeant... I am asked if I have a weapon in the jeep. I say yes, it is part of my display for the show, it is secured... I am told that the weapon needs to go to the armory period... I politely tell him I will take it home OFF BASE before I place my weapon in their armory... He proceeds to place his hand on his holstered M-9 and tells me that it needs to go to the armory...

What happens is that the retired colonel that made the display arrangements comes out of his motor home and has him call a Captain at the security police office... The officers suddenly stood down and left me alone...

Works out the folks from the living history display ( I was assisting) had more real firepower than the whole base did... 4 Thompsons, a BAR and half a dozen M-1s and all were licensed... Security left us alone after that...
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Yup, retired O6 has more pull than an Active O3 and an E5 and E6.
On the other hand, this is another example of our ridiculous zero tolerance society and the super-sized endemic lawsuit issue. Our military is being twisted and turned upside down/inside out trying to abide by the civilian side legal trends.
Another rant, I know. Common sense is gone. "I'm just following orders! I don't want to lose my job, man!" Ugh!
Anyway, when I carry a firearm in a parade it's right there with me. I'm surrounded by current and retired military veterans like myself, all with mock or real firearms. We carry blanks and shoot them at stops in the parade to entertain the crowds. But I've never had a problem with someone touching something they shouldn't. Even during the usual drunken St Patrick's Day Parade.
But I've run into the Security Police/MP mentality you encountered. Very frustrating. Good idea on the zip-tying.
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Thats because during the St. Patricks Day parade they are too busy looking at the girls flashing the crowds from the top of the triple deckers.
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I am not a cop. I was an aircraft crew chief and flight chief in the Air Force. I dealt with USAF LE and SP folks for 22 years and Army MPs for 2 years and civilian cops for 60 years. Yes there are a handful of narrow minded nutcases in all those units but don't gauge the whole by the small percentage. These people have a tough job. Believe it or not it really is "Protect & Serve"
Each clown they run into out there during their duty day could be the real nut case determined to take dozens of innocent people to their deaths. I expect every cop that see's me displaying a weapon take an interest in determining that my display is a lawful one. It's his job period. I allow him to inspect the weapon. I don't waste everyone's time starting a pissing contest with them. The more you behave yourself the quicker his visit with you ends. Just pray that your family members never have to die at a mall shootout or a open house because a cop was lax and didn't confirm every weapon exposed there was a lawful one.
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Hey everyone, I just read this and thought I could throw in my $0.02.

I am a current LEO from Florida. Certainly, I can't say what the laws would be in another state, and am not about to offer official "legal advice" in any capacity. Verify everything for yourself, within your own jurisdiction before making any decision.

This is all just FYI, from my experiences. That being said, some thoughts from a Florida LEO: just be reasonable and responsible and there is very little chance it will be a problem. Beyond that, some advice on being reasonable and responsible:

Many of the irrational sheep-like citizens of our society are terrified of guns and will call us like they just saw North Koreans invading, when they see an openly carried firearm. Know the laws in your area. If you are in an open carry state, you should be covered, but also, know the people and area. If you know it's legal to open carry, but you get this strange feeling like it's a bad idea, it probably is! (In Florida, open carry is only authorized, to/from/during a hunting, fishing or camping expedition). Keep in mind, it is still possible to violate other weapons related laws in an open carry state, like "Reckless Display."

Open carry map: http://www.opencarry.org/?page_id=103 **VERIFY THIS INFORMATION BEFORE YOU GO “RIDE OUT” WITH YOUR WEAPON**

Also, if there is a question of legality to and from the parade, cover it up and be safe. While nearly every LEO I work with is reasonable enough to understand that a maintained military vehicle with a matching weapon is a collectable, not a threat. “Nearly every,” however, is not a statistic I (personally) would try my odds with. Keep in mind though, many cops, reasonable or otherwise, that have been in the field for a fair amount of time have been shot at, and if not, have definitely seen more than their share of shootings, stabbings, and other violent deaths. Forgive us if we are a little cautious around tools designed to kill things. If you do meet up with Officer Unreasonable, be the reasonable one. In every job, there is that guy. If you meet that guy, be patient; explain to him what you have and what you are doing with it. There is almost no chance of him taking it any further. If he is considering turning nothing into something, a pissing match will only ensure his decision is not in your favor.

And lastly, I don’t know how many states this applies to, but in Florida, many firearms related laws apply equally to replica/perceived firearms. Therefore, don’t assume that open carry laws do not apply to your replica, or non-functioning weapon. VERIFY, don’t assume.

My personal opinion is that any citizen who conducts himself lawfully should be allowed (and encouraged) to carry in whichever manner is most convenient to him or her. The Second Amendment was put in place for a good reason. Unfortunately, personal opinions don’t carry much weight matched up against state/federal laws.
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Thank You "LEO" for your post. I think I speak for most when I say
that insight from your perspective much appreciated.
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Thanks Rick, and congrats on post #1000 there
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