M38CDN 1952

[Black-Eagle]

Hi Wes,
I'm new member from Quebec, Canada and at this time I'm looking to retrieve CAR #52-30428, it served with my Father during his training at CFB Bordon On. Canada in 50's for RCAMC. This Willys is very special because it's a stretcher bearer ambulance. At this time I don't know serial #. Would you check in your Data base if this Willys exist today? I have project for it.

Thanks for your help
Jean or John.

[M38CDNBill]

Hi Jean,

I watched in my list and I don't have this CAR number 52-30428. Many M38CDN don't survived any longer after their career in Canadian Forces and maybe this jeep no longer exist since a long time ago.

You can try to find this number on the Maple Leaf Up website which is specially dedicated to the Canadian military vehicles and their history: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/index.php

Cheers

[wesk]

The closest my numbers come are:

52-30139 - F100409
52-30361 - F100462

[M38CDNBill]

Hi Jean,

In my list, the closest numbers that I have are:

52-30409 / F100273

52-30454 / F100324

[pickle]

hello,

I may check with Brian Asbury if you can. he may be able to shed some light on it too.

I am curious, Guy, do you know the contract numbers for those two jeeps you listed? Also, do you have anything listed for CARs above/below F-10229?

thanks

myles

[M38CDNBill]

...I am curious, Guy, do you know the contract numbers for those two jeeps you listed? Also, do you have anything listed for CARs above/below F-10229?

thanks

myles

Hi Myles,

No, I don't have the contract numbers for those two jeeps. Here is the list of SN, CAR and DOD that I have compiled over the years and any additional digits are welcome.

SN / CAR / DOD (Month-Day-Year) / Contract / W or WO winch

FXXXXXX / 51-30035
F100XXX / 52-30089
F100XXX / 52-30217
F100XXX / 52-30364
F100XXX / 52-30458
F100XXX / 52-30491
F100XXX / 52-30542
F100XXX / 52-30568
F100XXX / 52-30590
F100XXX / 52-30794
F100XXX / 52-30873
F100XXX / 52-30878
F100XXX / 52-30882
F100XXX / 52-30906
F100XXX / 52-30910
F100XXX / 52-30993
F100XXX / 52-31796
F100009 / XX-XXXXX / 02-22-1952
F100019 / XX-XXXXX / 02-05-1952
F100038 / XX-XXXXX
F100071 / XX-XXXXX / 02-06-1952
F100088 / 52-30138
F100089 / 52-32152 / 02-12-1952
F100092 / 52-30666 / 02-25-1952
F100092 / XX-XXXXX
F100093 / XX-XXXXX / 02-12-1952
F100103 / XX-XXXXX / 02-11-1952
F100143 / XX-XXXXX
F100163 / 52-30234 / 03-31-1952
F100168 / 52-30127 / 03-28-1952
F100180 / 52-31268 / 04-04-1952
F100187 / 52-30196 / 03-26-1952
F100190 / XX-XXXXX
F100226 / XX-XXXXX / 03-31-1952
F100248 / 52-30303 / 03-31-1952
F100249 / 52-30323 / 04-08-1952
F100253 / XX-XXXXX
F100268 / XX-XXXXX / 04-05-1952
F100273 / 52-30409
F100282 / XX-XXXXX / 04-03-1952
F100290 / XX-XXXXX
F100297 / 52-30548
F100314 / XX-XXXXX
F100324 / 52-30454 / 04-26-1952
F100337 / 52-30982 / 04-10-1952 / 742 / WO
F100347 / XX-XXXXX / 04-08-1952
F100349 / 52-30367
F100352 / 52-30549
F100366 / XX-XXXXX
F100388 / XX-XXXXX / 04-30-1952
F100409 / 52-30149
F100424 / XX-XXXXX
F100434 / XX-XXXXX
F100462 / XX-XXXXX / 05-01-1952
F100489 / XX-XXXXX
F100501 / XX-XXXXX / 04-26-1952
F100510 / XX-XXXXX
F100512 / XX-XXXXX / 04-20-1952
F100573 / 52-30928
F100654 / 51-33341 / 07-05-1952
F100655 / 51-30515 / 05-05-1952
F100657 / 52-31657 / XX-XX-XXXX / 742 / WO
F100664 / 52-30716 / 05-03-1952
F100XXX / 52-30718 / 05-03-1952
F100671 / 52-30702 / XX-XX-XXXX / 742 / WO
FXXXXXX / 52-30946
F100688 / 52-30987
F1007XX / 52-30660
F100725 / XX-XXXXX
F10077X / XX-XXXXX
F100773 / 52-31088 / 06-16-1952 / 742 / WO
F100796 / 52-30688 / 04-14-1952
FXXXXXX / 52-30718 / 05-03-1952
F100814 / 52-30792 / 06-01-1952
F100816 / 52-30869 / 05-13-1952
F100822 / 52-31153
F100833 / 52-30XXX / 06-02-1952
F100932 / 52-30965 / 06-03-1952
F100934 / 52-30934
F100948 / 52-30951
F100949 / 52-30987 / 06-05-1952
F100965 / 52-31125 / 06-03-1952
F100970 / 52-30970
FXXXXXX / 52-31154
FXXXXXX / 52-31183
F101XXX / 51-31323
F101XXX / 52-31333
F101XXX / 52-31362
F101XXX / 52-31413
F101XXX / 52-31432
F101XXX / 52-31490
F101XXX / 52-31492
F101XXX / 52-31544
F101XXX / 52-31552
F101XXX / 52-31577
F101XXX / 52-31719
F101XXX / 52-31845
F101XXX / 52-31888
F101XXX / 52-32011 / 12-01-1952
F101XXX / 52-32015
F101050 / 52-31071 / 06-24-1952
F101078 / 52-30152 / 06-14-1952
F101084 / 52-31053
F101094 / XX-XXXXX / 06-13-1952
F101101 / 52-31690 / 06-17-1952
F101115 / XX-XXXXX / 06-17-1952
F101132 / 52-31162 / 06-19-1952
F101172 / 52-31203 / 06-25-1952
FXXXXXX / 52-31254
F101186 / 52-31270 / 06-27-1952
F101205 / XX-XXXXX / 06-27-1952
F101214 / 52-31278 / 07-04-1952
F101226 / 52-31249 / 07-03-1952
F101228 / 52-XXXXX / 07-09-1952
F101XXX / 52-31313
F101247 / 52-31347
F101287 / 52-31321 / 07-11-1952 / 742 / WO
F101288 / XX-XXXXX / 09-07-1952
F101288 / 52-31291 / 07-09-1952
FXXXXXX / 52-31309
F101292 / XX-XXXXX / 09-01-1952
F101294 / XX-XXXXX / 07-10-1952
F101306 / 52-31354
F101343 / 52-31359 / 07-12-1952
F101352 / XX-XXXXX / 07-12-1952
F101354 / 52-31379 / 07-12-1952
F101366 / XX-XXXXX / 07-16-1952
F101369 / XX-XXXXX / 07-21-1952
F101378 / 52-31439 / 07-18-1952
F101394 / XX-XXXXX
F101397 / 52-31450 / 07-18-1952
F101467 / XX-XXXXX
F101489 / 52-31482 / 07-25-1952
F101490 / 52-31596 / 07-07-1952
F101504 / 52-31525
F101522 / XX-XXXXX / 07-31-1952
F101528 / XX-XXXXX / 07-28-1952
F101547 / 52-31528 / 07-10-1952
F101552 / XX-XXXXX
F101563 / 52-31608
F101568 / XX-XXXXX
F101590 / 52-31628 / 07-31-1952
F101597 / XX-XXXXX / 08-03-1952
F101599 / XX-XXXXX
F101623 / 52-31605 / 08-02-1952
F101634 / 52-31354
F101634 / 52-31529
F101653 / 52-31705 / 08-21-1952
F101669 / 52-31682 / 08-19-1952
F101701 / 52-31749 / 08-27-1952
F101706 / 52-31691
FXXXXXX / 52-31925
F101723 / 52-32092
F101738 / XX-XXXXX
F101745 / 52-31756 / 08-28-1952
F101767 / 52-31790 / XX-XX-XXXX / 742 / WO
F101782 / 52-31795 / 09-11-1952
F101788 / 52-31801 / 09-11-1952 / 742 / WO
F101794 / 52-31799 / 09-11-1952
F101804 / XX-XXXXX / 09-16-1952
F101815 / 52-32058 / 09-16-1952
F101820 / XX-XXXXX / 09-15-1952
F101823 / XX-XXXXX
F101840 / XX-XXXXX
F101847 / 52-31909 / 10-02-1952
F101854 / XX-XXXXX / 09-18-1952
F101855 / 52-31847 / 09-09-1952
F101865 / 52-31855 / 09-18-1952 / 742 / WO
F101884 / 52-31860 / 09-22-1952
F1019XX / 52-31946
F101998 / 52-31949 / 10-28-1952
F102005 / 52-31968 / 10-21-1952
F102008 / XX-XXXXX / 10-20-1952
F102010 / 52-32128 / 11-03-1952 / 742 / W
F102021 / 52-31971
F102031 / XX-XXXXX / 11-04-1952
F102035 / 52-31964 / 11-04-1952
F102039 / XX-XXXXX / 11-05-1952
F102041 / 52-32137
F102049 / 52-31985 / 11-05-1952
F102077 / 52-32000 / 11-11-1952
F102078 / XX-XXXXX / 11-18-1952
F102093 / XX-XXXXX / 11-20-1952
F102123 / 52-31771 / 11-22-1952
F102127 / XX-XXXXX / 02-25-1953
F102135 / XX-XXXXX /
FXXXXXX / 52-32649
FXXXXXX / 52-31376
FXXXXXX / 52-31685

[pickle]

thanks Guy very much. I have a list as well that is what i submitted to wes for the sight....do you mind if I add this to that list as well? Wes/Ryan can figure if they want to use it or not, but I maintain the more information for the M38 CDNs, the better for everyone who wants to learn more about it.

Thank you for the link on the maple leaf site. I have been there before and did not find much about the M38 CDN, although it was good to see familar names. your link lead me to one conversation Brian had about it which was very useful.

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showt ... hp?t=23222

scroll down and read about Brian A. and what he wrote about the contracts and CARs.

[M38CDNBill]

...do you mind if I add this to that list as well?

I share my list with pleasure and needs to be upgraded with all M38 enthusiasts.

Cheers from the East.

[pickle]

thanks Guy. and cheers from the west to you too as well!

btw, for Black Eagle....there is a individual from Ontario by the name of Rob who was editor of the Ontario Military Vehicle Association. May someone can help point you to his contact as his was on my old computer that crashed. Anyway he told me to look at the back of the data plate for grease pen markers that were done by inspectors...it might have the serial with the CAR/CFR on it. Also, he also maintained that if the unit passed inspection without any issue, there was the possibility that there was a specific number sequence between the serials and CAR/CFR. He may be able to get that to you depending on his database and CAR?CFR list. another good source.

[BCA]

Hi Guy,
Thanks for posting your list. May I make a suggestion that you revise your date of delivery format: you list as Day-Month-Year while the data plates use the format Month- Day - Year. This is very confusing for a reported date of for example 8- 11- 52.
It is very easy to make mistakes with numbers and the original source is important. The most comprehensive list of numbers was published by Rob Grieve, in CMP Magazine Issue 13, May 1996. He gave full credit to his sources: either his own inspection, to Colin Stevens in BC, to the MVPA Directories or to historical photos. Nearly all M38CDN data bases quote heavily from Rob's work.
A couple of quick notes: F-100009 actually is dated 2-22-52 (I have this plate and the date was a typographical error in Rob Grieves original list). Also the last M38, F-102135 was very unlikely to have a stamped date of Nov. 27,1952. While this date was the last day of production as reported by Ford, the "date of delivery" was always a few days or weeks after the vehicle was actually made.
... Brian

[M38CDNBill]

...May I make a suggestion that you revise your date of delivery format: you list as Day-Month-Year while the data plates use the format Month- Day - Year. This is very confusing for a reported date of for example 8- 11- 52...

Hi Brian,

I agree and I changed the list. Thanks for information about Rob and his list. Is he still present on MLU Forum?

Cheers

[reddog]

Hi Bill
you can add mine to that list
F-100226
no Carr
DOD 3-31-52

[M38CDNBill]

Hi Bill
you can add mine to that list
F-100226
no Carr
DOD 3-31-52

Hi RedDog,

It's done.

Cheers

[reddog]

I would like to find out my Carr . Front left frame had been repaired not sure if it was ground off or it never was stamped.

[BCA]

Guy: Rob G. is still interested in M38's but doesn't post on forums.
Reddog: my experience is that first few 300 or M38CDN's did not have the CFR number stamped on the frame however I have seen a small inspector stamp (like on the data plate) stamped on the top of the front left frame: pretty hard to spot given that this area is often damaged or rusty. Otherwise the only way to known the CFR a number for an early Ford serial-numbered M38 is from a body stencil or surplus bill of sale.

I am interested when the "639" contract ended and the "742" contract started and whether this is related to the procedures for stencilling or stamping the CFR number. The contract number is on the serial plate.