M38A1 PTO Data Plate?

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:23 pm

I have a fire fighting booster reel with pump on my 1953 M38A1 and don't have a data plate showing PTO lever positions...was there one? The only on I have seen on-line is for the winch.

Thanks,

Mike B

Post by **wesk** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:52 pm

This is the only one available and that was originally installed by Willys and/or stocked by the Army.

Seems I recall all the fire fighting jeeps were set-up away from Willys and all fire fighting apparatus equipment plates were supplied by the equipment manufacturer.

Try to google search the PTO manufacture or the fire fighting apparatus manufacturer.

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:55 pm

Thanks Wes,

I was assuming the PTO was an integral part of the transfer case and all Jeeps got them.

My unit has a small PTO driven gear pump hanging on the crossmember just ahead of the rear axle with a 1" hose connecting it to the bottom of a 55 gallon water tank that's sitting on the floor between the wheel tubs and the discharge going to a Hanney Booster reel that sits on top of the tank. I haven't found who made the pump yet, but would be surprised if a "real" fire apparatus company had much to do with this set-up. It's on the edge of looking home built. Maybe after it's military life it was given/sold to a fire company or forest service and the tank/pump was added.

The underside of this Jeep is OD and the top side is white (many coats). I'm going to try and see if I can uncover the hood numbers, but not holding out to much hope of being successful.

Mike B

Post by **wesk** » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:15 pm

The BLM, US Forest Service were just a couple of the organizations that used surplus jeeps for fire fighting work and modified them for the task. PTO shift patterns vary with manufacturer of the PTO. Ramsey and Koenig are just 2 of several. The shift plate would have accompanied the PTO. They were not standard equipment at Willys but you could buy the jeep with an optional PTO factory installed. However a military M38 or M38A1 would only have come with a ramsey 105 PTO and that was only on a handful of military jeeps with the Ramsey winch.

the PTO was an integral part of the transfer case and all Jeeps got them

No, they were optional. If you review several CJ & M jeep parts manuals you'll see the transfer case is shown under transfer case only and the PTO is shown towards the end of the manual with optional equipment.

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:22 pm

Thanks Wes,

My PTO only goes to the rear. I'll take a better look after I get it in the shop to see who made my unit.

Mike B

Post by **wesk** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:53 pm

The majority of the civilian Ag unit PTO's only went to the rear.

The Spicer 18 and the Ramsey PT2-F are very common Civilian rear only PTO's.

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:18 am

Thanks Wes!

I'll take a look tomorrow and report back as to what I have.

Mike B

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:36 pm

OK, my PTO looks like a Ramsey 50 to me. Single stick, with rear output passing straight through from the transfer case. The strange thing is there is no aux shaft facing forward, it's capped just like the rear side. Makes me wonder if they just left the aux gear and chain out altogether???

I need tofigure out how to post pictures...

Mike B

Post by **wesk** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:36 pm

Are you confusing the Ramsey model 50 winch with a Ramsey model 105 PTO?

Post by **wesk** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:42 pm

I need tofigure out how to post pictures...

Here's your album:
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... _album.php

Here's the rules:
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... opic&t=498

Here's the tutorial for loading your album:
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... _album.php

Here's the tutorial for posting your photos:
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... pic&t=8670

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:25 am

OOPS, rookie mistake, it is the Ramsey Model 105 (as long as that's the same number when itdoesn't have an aux shaft facing forward like yours).

Mike B

Post by **wesk** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:39 am

The 105 only came the way my photo shows. Someone has deliberately removed the chain & lower shaft from yours. I assume the shaft hole on the front side of the case has been plugged with something.

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:57 am

Wes,

I'll have to look closer, at first look the front and rear shaft openings look factory closed or not drilled...

Mike B

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:02 pm

Wes,

I took a closer look and the front of the PTO case is plugged with a solid piece of round stock. It looks factory.

Do the top shaft bearings in the PTO need the chain to splash oil on them? If the chain is gone I wonder how that's done?

The rear cover is stamper 97 on the aux bearing knob with a cast M up close to the output shaft.

Mike B

Mike_B · Post by **Mike_B** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:08 pm

Not sure how to post pictures in this post, but I did get them in the Gallery...

Here's the link to the front view of my PTO without an aux shaft.

Mike B

Here's the tutorial for posting your photos:
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... pic&t=8670