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On my 51 M38 the spare tire is holder is on the passenger side. My jeep has been modified a bunch so it is hard to tell what is original and what is not. I have seen pictures with the spare tire on the side and the back is one correct and one not or are they both correct

The Willys factory installed M38 spare went on the right side of the tailgate.



There has been some discussion on the spare placement when the Recoiless rifle was field installed. There's not a lot of info on this available yet.

The M38CDN in this illustration carries it on the hood and removes the windshield.



The US M38 in this photo just doesn't carry one and left the windshield on.



If the military did elect to side mount the spare the most obvious place to mount it was on the right rear quarter since this area was already reinforced and had the 4 holes predrilled for the civvy sapre carrier bracket.

Thank you Wes. The tire mount is on the side on mine so I guess I need to think about moving it.

according to my copy of the installation instructions for the recoilless on a M38, the spare tire is moved to the passenger side of the jeep in front of the rear tire. Pictures from installation copy in my photo section on the site.

Regarding the spare tire placement on the M38 Cdn, I have had these and can comment on it's design. It consisted of the standard commercial type spare tire bracket mounted on to a wooden A-frame. The A frame resembled the end of a safety barricade, like you would see when a road is closed. The peak of the a frame mounted in to a sheet metal socket near the windshield, and the forward legs were secured by a pair of hood latches. This allowed removal to access the engine compartment.

Can anyone email me photos and instruction sheets for this data so I can organize them into a PDF file for our sownload section?

Here is a (poor) photo of a M38Cdn with the recoiless kit. Some minor detail of the spare tire carrier can be seen.

Is the fire exdinguisher placed correctly in the bottom pic with the cdn recoiless?

Thanx Mike

That's the same place for CDN's without the recoiless as well.

I always thought the whole thing was made of steel (hood mount)
This explaines why I am missing the sides of the frame and the carriage bolts still there are so rotted.
I have all the other pieces and will try and post them below.

If anyone wants more details let me know
Allan

Another one of the front bar.
It does not use hood latches but 2 "L" shaped threaded rods with wingnuts
The wingnuts are nothing more than nuts with bars welded on them.
They may be home made but the rods look stock.

Allan

What I find fascinating about this on the hood carrier is that the location is not new, the WWII Holden ambulance jeeps had them, but the materials have changed.

The practical application of using materials available, in the case the standard spare tire mount is similar to the way the ambulance jeeps reused the original spare tire carrier on the top of the hood.

cmpman, those guys need goggles or they will get bugs in their eyes.

Very cool.

Hey, Guys a lot of what you find on these vehicles where feild modifications ether by unit or indevisual. As far as the fire extiguser is concerend the factory never installed any and a lot of units kept it that way. Like I said before, I have one (Mod) in my 38 only because of indoor events. Wes is correct as to where the factory put them in the first picture, after that it was per unit discretion. If you notice the wording under the picture of the CDN illistration you will see the word modified.