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Serial Numbers

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:14 pm
by Nate
I am starting to refurbish a 1955 M38A1. The data plate on the dash board gives me the manufacturer serial number and the delivery date (no ord. serial number). Is there any historical information I can learn from these numbers. There is also a number across the hood.
Thanks,
Nate

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:58 pm
by Ryan_Miller
What is the hood number?

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:02 pm
by Nate
U.S. Navy
94-27492

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:35 pm
by wesk
Is there any historical information I can learn from these numbers.
Very little can be learned from those numbers.

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:36 pm
by Nate
OK, is there anything on the vehicle that will help me locate that info or am I chasing a ghost?

Nate
MVPA #34312

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:50 pm
by wesk
Unless you find documents in the jeep or unit numbers and codes painted on the jeep the odds are you are chasing a ghost. The military did not release the vehicle's historical documents with them when surplussed out. They were held for a short period and then destroyed. You can search and review thousands of photos on hundreds of USN related web sites and never see your M38A1 and some folks spend just a few hours and stumble across a period photo of their jeep's hood number. But that's all that is available for researching jeep history.

Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:30 pm
by Roy
Hello everybody,
I got the same problem as Nate.
2 Month ago i bought a M38. The only thing I know about it is that it was imported to Germany fom Greece in 1996. The date of construction in the papers must be wrong. It is 1.7.1947 and of course the M38s only were produced 1950-52.
So would it be possible to find out the propper date of construction with the body, frame and motor numbers?

Perhaps there´s a specialist out there who can help me with this topic.
I´m also wondering if the body is an original one (no rust or anything like this-best condition)? Ho can I find out this?

Here the numbers:
-Body (front of the passenger seat motor side): 9308-264

-Frame (near the right front wheel):32244

-Waterpump (I think this is not the original but a french modell):
N80575
WOF
637052
SI


-Motor (head):
W5 4 10
800376
6.48 D


-Motor (side of the maintenance plate):641087 L-W11 A NI-CR N2

If needed I can post fotos of any part of course!

I would be thankful for any information!

Thanks in advance!

Greetings from southern Germany!

Roy

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:25 am
by wesk
Hello Roy,

The Greeks used the M38 for a long time. It is probable yours was rebuilt several times and contains parts of many jeeps.

The M38 did not leave Willys with any serial number on the frame. The M38 body had only one serial number and it was on both tags. One on the dash group lower right corner and one on the front of the right rear wheel house behind the passenger seat,
The M38 engine serial was on the small falt above the water pump and was formatted MCXXXXX for a factory original engine that was originally installed in a M38 at the factory and with RMCXXXXX for a factory new replacement engine. The two casting numbers used on these M38 blocks were 641087 and 804380. These same blocks were also used in civilian jeeps and the serial number is the only difference between them.

Willys did not place any serial numbers on the frame of the M38.

Here is the link to your personal photo album. Just load the photos here.
http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules. ... _album.php

The photos needed to ID the jeep are one of both sides and both ends. One overall engine compartment, one closeup of the bumper/2 front frame rails/bottom edge of grill, one of the frame between the battery tray and the firewall, one of the overall dash, one of the each front floor, one of the overall inboard side of each wheel house, a closeup of the right dash data plate area, a closeup of the front vertical surface of the right (pass) side wheel house.

We have several Greek members and several Greek M38 owners here on the site that I am sure will help you out. Open a new thread using the "Greek M38" in the title and post your photo link there.

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:44 pm
by Roy
Hey Wes,

thanks a lot for the first information!!!

I will post the fotos in the next days!

Best regards from Germany,

Roy