Packard Connectors and Crimper?

[brachus12]

Couldn't find a thread with what I needed, so making this new one.

Found a good break down of the rubber Packard connectors here:

http://olive-drab.com/od_mseries_connectors.php

and also here:

http://www.amerline.com/MSSingleWire.html

So the same crimper that was used on the Douglas pins and terminals will work on the Packard pins and terminals?

The old crimper is MS3191-1 (or 10692) and uses positioners that must be swapped per wire size?

The next one is MS3191-4 (or AF8) and has the positioners installed into a mounted turret so that no changing is required?

[wesk]

So the same crimper that was used on the Douglas pins and terminals will work on the Packard pins and terminals?

Yes

As for crimpers what you list is much to modern and complex. The old issue crimper from the early 60's works just fine and is usually a lot cheaper.
To help with the understanding of the evolution of these Mil spec crimpers this is a good read: http://www.connectortech.com.au/datashe ... 0Tools.pdf

The old crimper is MS3191-1 (or 10692) and uses positioners that must be swapped per wire size?

The next one is MS3191-4 (or AF8) and has the positioners installed into a mounted turret so that no changing is required?

If you must use a crimper then get the early simple ones for a lot less money:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUCHANAN-CRIMP- ... _500wt_707

Why fool with them at all. Just solder the wires in the pins.

[brachus12]

As for crimpers what you list is much to modern and complex. The old issue crimper from the early 60's works just fine and is usually a lot cheaper.

If you must use a crimper then get the early simple ones for a lot less money:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUCHANAN-CRIMP- ... _500wt_707

Thanks Wes.

Going from the link you sent, MS3191-1 IS the early sixties crimper tool.

The first standard crimp tool
developed to crimp these new con-
tacts was introduced in the early
sixties. MS3191-1, a military drawing,
defined this tool and its accessories.
The MS3191-1 utilized a four indent
crimp pattern together with a positive
stop locator which controlled the travel
of the indenters (crimp depth).

It's just that every post about crimpers I have seen, none of them appear to offer any part numbers. 10692 seems to be the part number on Buchanan crimpers like the very listing you showed as well.

Why fool with them at all. Just solder the wires in the pins.

Just personal preference from my manufacturing days, I have more faith in my crimping abilities than my solder abilities.

[wesk]

That quote says

The first standard crimp tool
developed to crimp these new con-
tacts was introduced in the early
sixties. MS3191-1, a military drawing,
defined this tool and its accessories.

The tool being sold in your listings today is not the original early 60's simple tool that we used in the early 60's. Todays tools are the complex maturity of the basic tool specified in the 60's to the tool today which complies with a very much amended mil spec..

The last new 5120-00-251-3990 early surplus crimp tool I purchased cost me all of $25. It's original box was dated 1995.


$25 DOM 1995 meets MIL SPEC MS3191-1


$25 DOM 1995 meets MIL SPEC MS3191-1


$389 DOM 2011 meets MIL SPEC MS3191-1


Do some serious shopping before spending the high prices in your listings. Talk to Starr Electric and MWM, Memphis Equip and RAPCO first.

[Deadguy]

This is what I got
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00173 ... 00_details