Found Them!

ECVJeeps · Post by **ECVJeeps** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:27 pm

Three out of four and two out of six, at least it is a start.

I will make some drawings for these and fabricate the ones missing.

Pat

M38CDNBill · Post by **M38CDNBill** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:58 pm

Hello Pat,

WOW, very nice and revealing pictures.

Cheers

Post by **wesk** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:19 pm

Pat can you post a photo of the bottom sides? Maybe even a drawing!!!

ECVJeeps · Post by **ECVJeeps** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:27 pm

They are being painted at the moment, as posted above, drawings will be done when I get to work. My computer at work has my drawing software.

Cheers
Pat.

Post by **Ryan_Miller** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:17 pm

Just to clarify for some members: These are teh CDN brackets?

Thanks!

BCA · Post by **BCA** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:08 am

I have extras of the frame loops. $20 each good used. Sorry none of the ones that mount to the spring plates but it is very interesting to the the photos of them that have been posted - especially how they are stamped with identification markings. PM me for details. .... Brian

ECVJeeps · Post by **ECVJeeps** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:18 am

The first drawing.

Pat

ECVJeeps · Post by **ECVJeeps** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:55 am

The spring plate tie down.

Pat

Xamon · Post by **Xamon** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:30 am

Very nice. Question though, where do the large plates go?

ECVJeeps · Post by **ECVJeeps** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:06 pm

From what I can tell by the marks left on the rail tie downs after 60+ years of being on a jeep.
There are wear marks from the springs being in contact with the tie down plates that would indicate that they were placed between the original spring plates and these plates.

If you zoom in and study the above picture, you will notice the D/S rail tie down plate appears to be above the spring plate.
The arrows stamped on the rail tie down plates do not indicate a forward direction due to the fact of the hole position on the P/S front rail tie down plate.
The above picture and the rear facing "D" ring indicates that the front rail tie down plates were rear facing (arrows facing the rear of the jeep).
I do not have a clear picture of the rear plates but would guess that they "D" rings are forward facing? At least that is the direction that I will be placing them on my wife's jeep.

As noted by Ryan, these were for the M38CDN jeep.

Cheers
Pat

Xamon · Post by **Xamon** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:51 pm

Thanks that answers it very well. Not sure if I should fab a set up, as far as I can see mine never went anywhere, doesn't even have the small side ones.

ECVJeeps · Post by **ECVJeeps** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:00 pm

I expect they will rattle like heck, or at least make some noise. I think I will cut a small section of rubber and wedge it in between the "D" ring and the bracket to reduce the rattle.
These will be another part that makes the M38CDN a bit more Canadian.

Hawkshadow · Post by **Hawkshadow** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:56 pm

Is this a 100% thing that was on all of the Canadians? I have seen a couple of them beside my own and have yet to come across one with these tie-downs.

pickle · Post by **pickle** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:42 pm

Pat is right. I found this article that talks about the tie down rings (read last one)...

1: All Canadian M38's were assembled by Ford Motor Company of Canada in Windsor, Ontario, from February to November 1952.
2: The average cost per M38 was $2600 (the first contract of 840 vehicles cost $2807 per vehicle).
3: All vehicles were shipped from Windsor to Hagersville, Ontario to be inspected and put into military service.
4: The last vehicle produced by Ford was serial number F102135 and it was delivered on 27 November 1952 (as researched at Ford by Peter Simundson).
5 :Winches were installed and delivered on a separate purchase order program by Ramsey Winch Co.
6: All M38's were equipped with a convoy lamp installed as a field modification that was done upon receipt by RCEME [Royal Canadian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers].
7: Vehicles shipped by rail transport had eight tie downs installed on the frame. Vehicles shipped overseas to Norway or Cyprus had eight tie downs on the frame and also has hold down rings installed to the four spring shackle plates.

This is a time I really wish we had someone who was an expert on Canadian military jeeps in the forum. There are so many questions that are asked toward restoring a M38 CDN the proper way. It is great that everyone helps out where they can in here. The American folks here don't know how lucky they are to have guys like Wes and all here helping out, and I know I am very thankful for them on our side. It just seems when you are looking for someone who knows Canadian information, I don't understand why it has to be so hard on this side of the border.

BTW. good work Pat.

Post by **wesk** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:52 pm

OK, Now here's a question for ya?

7: Vehicles shipped by rail transport had eight tie downs installed on the frame. Vehicles shipped overseas to Norway or Cyprus had eight tie downs on the frame and also has hold down rings installed to the four spring shackle plates.

So far Pat has accounted for 4 frame tie downs and 4 spring tie downs. So do the 4 original US style tie down fittings make up the other 4 on the frame?

There are several Canadian members on this board that are very knowledgeable of the CDN issues. Some were Canadian Armed forces members and a couple were Canadian armed forces vehicle mechanics.

We have 3653 members and of that total 2848 do not list where they are from. We have only 805 members that are proud of where they live and are willing to show their friends and fellow hobbyists where they can be found if they need help.